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    Question Warranty issues Security light coming on, bad wiring, and also not starting in gear

    On my ride in this morning I had to stop at a light and while sitting the security light came on.

    Since it is red and it got me a little concerned until I figure out it was the security light.

    It went off once I got back in motion but when I slowed down to park it came back on.

    This is the coldest morning I have rode it so far but not bad at 46 degrees.

    Could the FOB battery be weak, flaking out due to the cold and need replaced?

    Any ideas?

    2017 Tri-glide.

    Thanks

    Bob
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    I doubt it's the fob battery. Me, I'd make the ride to my dealer on a Saturday and let them plug in the Tech II to check for codes. The trike is under warranty. Let them mess with it. Ymmv ..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyTX View Post
    I doubt it's the fob battery. Me, I'd make the ride to my dealer on a Saturday and let them plug in the Tech II to check for codes. The trike is under warranty. Let them mess with it. Ymmv ..............
    The good thing is I am taking in tomorrow to have them fix a couple warranty isses.

    It won't start in gear and I found a wire harness for the auxiliary lights that has been pinched/cut that is showing bare wire.

    I will just add this to the list.

    Bob

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    You can diagnose your trouble codes here

    Is there a code or message in your odometer window now? It could be a weak battery in your fob, however it may not start next key cycle then. Take it in to the dealer if you have warranty, Good Luck

    Harley Trouble Codes

    The following procedure will instruct in retrieving and clearing ECM Diagnostic Trouble Codes and TSM/TSSM codes through the Harley guage cluster as well as a list of codes.

    1- Turn Ignition switchto OFF & Run/Stop switch is to Run.

    2- Push odometer resetbutton in & hold.

    3- Turnignition switchto Ignition and release the odometer reset button. Background lighting should illuminate, speedometer needle should sweep its full range and indicator lamps (battery, security, low fuel, check engine and cruise) should illuminate. The word "diag" should then appear.

    4 - Push the odometer resetbutton once and you will seethe selection menu "PSSPt" with the first P flashing.

    5 - Each letter represents an area of the diagnostics module. The module that is flashing is the one you are going to check. To move from one letter (module) to the next, you push the odometer resetbutton one time. (from P to S to SP to t and back to P, etc.)

    P = ECM/ICM(Electronic Control Module)[EFI] /Ignition Control Module[Carbureted])

    S = TSM/TSSM (Turn Signal/ Security Module)

    SP = speedometer

    T = tachometer

    6 - To get the DTC within an area of diagnostics, push and hold the odometer resetbutton in for 5 seconds and release. If there are any DTC's the code will be displayed or the word "none" will appear if there are no DTC's. Push the odometer resetbutton again to view additional codes if they exist.

    7 - Record the codes.

    8 - If DTC's are not to be cleared, Press and release the odometer resetbutton. Part number of module will be displayed.

    NOTE: To determine if a code is current or historic, clear the displayed code by pushing in and holding the odometer reset button ( longer than 5 seconds) until 'clear' comes up. Release the odometer reset button. Turn OFF the ignition switch. Run your bike and shut it down then recheck the DTC's again by repeating steps 1 to 9. If the code is current it will reappear.

    9 - Press and release the odometer reset button to continue to the next module.

    10 - Turn Ignition switch to OFF.

    On models not equipped with a tachometer "No Rsp" will appear when the tachometer identifier is selected.

    "No Rsp" (no response) will also appear if the run/off switch is in the off position when doing this procedure.

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    HFSM = Hands Free Security Module

    TSM = Turn signalmodule

    DTC’s are designated by a P,C,B or U

    P codes indicate issues monitored by ECM

    C codes indicate an issue with ABS

    B codes are set by Radio, Instruments and BCM

    U codes indicate a communication problems with the modules



    Fault Code Abbreviation List

    ABS – Anti-Lock Braking System

    ACR – Automatic Compression Release

    AFR – Air Fuel Ratio

    AIS – Active Intake Solenoid

    ATS – Air Temperature Sensor

    BAS – Bank Angle Sensor

    BCM – Body Control Module

    CAN – Controller Area Network

    CCM – Cruise Control Module

    CKP – Crank Position Sensor

    DLC – Datalink Connector

    DTC – Diagnostic Trouble Codes

    ECM – Electronic Control Module

    ECT – Engine Coolant Temperature

    ECU – Electronic Control Unit

    EFI – Electronic Fuel Injection

    EFP – Electronic Fuel Pump

    ET – Engine Temperature sensor

    FI – Fuel Injectors

    FPR – Fuel Pressure regulator

    H-DSSS – Harley-Davidson Smart Security System

    HCU – Hydraulic Control Unit, ABS

    [/stag_one_half][stag_one_half_last] HFSM – Hands Free Security Module

    HO2S – Heated Oxygen Sensor

    IAC – Idle Air Control actuator

    IAT – Intake Air Temperature sensor

    ICM – Ignition Control Module

    IMAP – MAP + IAT in one unit

    ISS – Ion Sensing System

    JSS – Jiffy Stand Sensor

    LHCM – Left Hand Control Module

    MAP – Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor

    MHR – Right Hand Control Module

    RCM – Reverse Control Module

    TCA – Throttle Control Actuator

    TGS – Twist Grip Sensor

    TMAP – Intake Air Temperature / Manifold Absolute Pressure equipment

    TPS – Throttle Position Sensor

    TSM / TSSM – (Turn Signal / Turn Signal Security Module)

    VE – Volume Efficiency

    VIN – Vehicle identification number

    VSS – Vehicle Speed ​​Sensor

    WSS – Wheel Speed ​​Sensor





    P0031 Front HO2S low/open

    P0032 Front HO2S shorted/high

    P0051 Rear HO2S low/open

    P0052 Rear HO2S shorted/high

    P0072 AAT sensor low

    P0073 AAT sensor high/open

    P0107 MAP sensor failed low/open

    P0107 Map Sensor Open/Low

    P0108 MAP sensor failed high/open port

    P0112 IAT Voltage Low

    P0113 IAT Voltage Open/High

    P0117 ET Sensor Low

    P0118 ET Sensor High

    P0120 TPS1 Range Error

    P0122 TPS1 Low

    P0123 TPS2 High/Open

    P0131 Front Oxygen Sensor Low / Engine Lean

    P0132 Front Oxygen Sensor High / Engine Rich

    P0134 Front Oxygen Sensor Inactive

    P0151 Rear Oxygen Sensor Low / Engine Lean

    P0152 Rear Oxygen Sensor High / Engine Rich

    P0154 Rear Oxygen Sensor Inactive

    P0220 TPS2 Range Error

    P0222 TPS2 Low/Open

    P0223 TPS2 High/Open

    P0261 Front Injector Open/Low

    P0262 Front Injector High

    P0263 Rear Injector Open/Low

    P0264 Rear Injector High

    P0265 Rear injector shorted high

    P0371 CKP sensor wrong number of pulses

    P0373 CKP Sensor Intermittent

    P0374 CKP Sensor Synch Error

    P0444 Purge Solenoid Open/Low

    P0445 Purge Solenoid High

    P0501 VSS Sensor Low

    P0502 VSS Sensor High/Open

    P0503 VSS failed high

    P0505 Idle speed control unstable

    P0562 Battery/ECM Voltage Low

    P0563 Battery/ECM Voltage High

    P0572 Brake Switch Low

    P0577 Cruise Control Input High

    P0603 ECM EEPROM Memory Error

    P0605 ECM FLASH Memory Error

    P0641 5 Volt Reference 1 Out of Range

    P0651 5 Volt Reference 2 Out of Range

    P0691 Fan/cooling relay output low/open

    P0692 Fan/cooling relay output high

    P1001 System Relay Coil Open/Low

    P1002 System Relay Coil High/Shorted

    P1003 System relay contacts open

    P1004 System Relay Contacts Closed

    P1009 VTD Disabled Fuel Due to Incorrect Password

    P1010 Missing Password

    P1017 ET indicates overheating

    P1019 ECT Difference (high temp)

    P1270 TGS 2 A/D Validation Error

    P1351 Front Ignition Coil Driver Open/Low

    P1352 Front Ignition Coil Driver High/Shorted

    P1353 Front Cylnder No Combustion

    P1354 Rear Ignition Coil Driver Open/Low

    P1355 Rear Ignition Coil Driver High/Shorted

    P1356 Rear Cylinder No Combustion

    P1357 Front Cylinder Combustion Intermittent

    P1358 Rear Cylinder Combustion Intermittent

    P1475 Exhaust Actuation Position Error

    P1477 Exhaust Actuator Open/Low

    P1478 Exhaust Actuator Shorted/High

    P1501 Jiffy Stand Sensor Low

    P1502 Jiffy Stand Sensor High

    P1510 EFI Limited Performance Mode

    P1511 EFI Power Management Mode

    P1512 EFI Forced Idle Mode

    P1514 ETC Air Flow Fault/Error

    P1600 EFI Module Processor Internal Error / Watchdog Error

    P1608 Loss of continuous battery

    P1655 ACR solenoid low/open

    P1656 ACR solenoid shorted high

    P1691 Cooling fan left low/open

    P1692 Cooling fan left shorted high

    P1693 Cooling fan right low/open

    P1694 Cooling fan right shorted high

    P2100 EFI Motor Circuit Open

    P2101 EFI Motor Circuit Range Performance (Actuation Error)

    P2102 EFI Motor Circuit Low

    P2103 EFI Motor Circuit High

    P2105 EFI Forced engine shutdown

    P2107 EFI Module Processor Internal Fault

    P2119 EFI Motor Throttle Body RangePerformance

    P2122 TGS1 Low/Open

    P2123 TGS1 High

    P2127 TGS2 Low/Open

    P2128 TGS2 High

    P2135 TPS Correlation Error

    P2138 TGS Correlation Error (Twist grip sensor)

    P2176 EFI Closed Position Not Learned

    P2184 ECT sensor low

    P2185 ECT sensor high

    P2300 Ignition coil driver low/open (front)

    P2301 Ignition coil driver shorted high (front)

    P2303 Ignition coil driver low/open (rear)

    P2304 Ignition coil driver shorted high (rear
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    Not understanding the not starting in gear issue some are having. My trike starts in gear w/o issue all the time. I don't even have to pull the clutch lever back all the way. Just enough to disengage the clutch. Does not matter if I use the foot or hand brake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyTX View Post
    Not understanding the not starting in gear issue some are having. My trike starts in gear w/o issue all the time. I don't even have to pull the clutch lever back all the way. Just enough to disengage the clutch. Does not matter if I use the foot or hand brake.
    Could be their pressing the start button before fully pressing firmly on the foot brake or brake lever....I know if i step on the brake pedal as i simultaneously press on the start button, It won't start, I then have to come off the start button and press it again..[While still on the brake pedal]
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyTX View Post
    Could be
    Try it yourself......Simultaneously ' Step on the brake petal and press the start button....

    Or Press the start button and then step on the brake...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino 2 View Post
    Try it yourself......Simultaneously ' Step on the brake petal and press the start button....

    Or Press the start button and then step on the brake...
    Tried that, starter disengages on mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyTX View Post
    Not understanding the not starting in gear issue some are having. My trike starts in gear w/o issue all the time. I don't even have to pull the clutch lever back all the way. Just enough to disengage the clutch. Does not matter if I use the foot or hand brake.
    Mine worked like that when I first got it, then it was intermittent and finally quit altogether.

    I took it to the shop a couple weeks ago to have my handlebars put on and the front fender light fixed. I also put on the order to check out why it wasn't starting in gear.

    When I went to pick it up a week later I was told that trikes are not supposed to start in gear it is a safety issue. the service guy stated that he had talked to the service and sales managers and they even tried it on a new in stock 2017. I was so irritated when I left I was going to another dealer. But since it is a 1.5 hour ride home I thought of something better.

    I called the HD home office and spoke with customer service (good people) the lady on the phone put me on hold and went to talk with a tech and verified that yes you should be able to start your trike in gear with the clutch in and either front or rear brake activated. My question was how do I convince my dealer of this.

    They provided me with a reference number and told me to call the dealer and have them contact HD customer service with the reference number.

    So now they are on notice that there is a path that this customer will take if I don't get what I expect.

    We'll see tomorrow how well that works.

    Still may end up going to another dealer for future service.

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwickbv View Post
    Mine worked like that when I first got it, then it was intermittent and finally quit altogether.

    I took it to the shop a couple weeks ago to have my handlebars put on and the front fender light fixed. I also put on the order to check out why it wasn't starting in gear.

    When I went to pick it up a week later I was told that trikes are not supposed to start in gear it is a safety issue. the service guy stated that he had talked to the service and sales managers and they even tried it on a new in stock 2017. I was so irritated when I left I was going to another dealer. But since it is a 1.5 hour ride home I thought of something better.

    I called the HD home office and spoke with customer service (good people) the lady on the phone put me on hold and went to talk with a tech and verified that yes you should be able to start your trike in gear with the clutch in and either front or rear brake activated. My question was how do I convince my dealer of this.

    They provided me with a reference number and told me to call the dealer and have them contact HD customer service with the reference number.

    So now they are on notice that there is a path that this customer will take if I don't get what I expect.

    We'll see tomorrow how well that works.

    Still may end up going to another dealer for future service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardwickbv View Post
    Mine worked like that when I first got it, then it was intermittent and finally quit altogether.

    I took it to the shop a couple weeks ago to have my handlebars put on and the front fender light fixed. I also put on the order to check out why it wasn't starting in gear.

    When I went to pick it up a week later I was told that trikes are not supposed to start in gear it is a safety issue. the service guy stated that he had talked to the service and sales managers and they even tried it on a new in stock 2017. I was so irritated when I left I was going to another dealer. But since it is a 1.5 hour ride home I thought of something better.

    I called the HD home office and spoke with customer service (good people) the lady on the phone put me on hold and went to talk with a tech and verified that yes you should be able to start your trike in gear with the clutch in and either front or rear brake activated. My question was how do I convince my dealer of this.

    They provided me with a reference number and told me to call the dealer and have them contact HD customer service with the reference number.

    So now they are on notice that there is a path that this customer will take if I don't get what I expect.

    We'll see tomorrow how well that works.

    Still may end up going to another dealer for future service.

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    There has been problems with the new switch halfs, my 15 did this the rs switch is a compound unit and is NOT servicaeable JMO
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    Took the trike in Friday morning and was there at 9AM when the door opened.

    The security light was coming on due to a damaged wiring harness going to the right side cooling fan which was not coming on when it should have been.

    They fixed that as well as the damaged wire I had already found going to the left Auxiliary/passing light.

    Now for the not so good part the main reason It was going in was for not starting while in gear.

    They had the bike for 6 hours when they called me and informed me that it was the left switch pack that was the problem and they did not have one in stock and they were on backorder from HD as there is a problem with these parts so it will take a while to get the part. I WAS LIVID. Once I got done chewing on the guy that called me I asked for the service manager, once he got on I as calmly as I could I explained to them that my trike was in their shop for 1 1/2 weeks the last time I wanted this problem fixed and they insisted that it shouldn't start in gear and now after I had to call HD customer service to convince them that it should I was again making the 90 mile trip home without it being fixed while my 20 year old daughter is cringing in her seat as she is driving me back to the shop.

    She dropped me off and did not want to go in so she went back to her dorm.

    Once inside I met the service manager he said he would have one of his guys come pick my bike up and haul it to the shop when the part came in and I explained that my bike will not come back in the shop for the same problem a 3rd time. He then offered to send his shop foreman to my house when the part came in to install it and then offered a $100 dollar gift card for all the trouble.

    I went with that now we will see when the part comes in whether it actually gets fixed.

    I made him well aware that I usually do most of my own service but that there are some things I just will not touch and I also need a place to get warranty work done.

    I also made him aware that there are 3 other fully capable shops actually closer to my house than their and the only reason I was going there is their sales and parts people have treated me better than the other shops but bad service will drive me to another.

    The Saga continues.

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    These parts are JUNK IMO

    Mine went SOUTH on my 15 along with the Thottle by wire, another klunker part from our friends at Delphi South of the border in MEXICO

    TOO bad Trump was not in charge then, maybe Delphi would ah could ah stayed here and NOT bought back from bankruptcy by GM with our dollars , This is just my BAD opinion of JUNK parts
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    And if it weren't Delphi, it would be someone else making them for Harley that is located other than USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyTX View Post
    And if it weren't Delphi, it would be someone else making them for Harley that is located other than USA.
    Yup, but Delphi is the leader in parts for a lot of car and bike parts, that said Amerika should nothave to keep bailing out companies that off shore the parts and jobs? Hd has done this to keep the bean counters happy and raise the price of products The Amerikan dream gone South again I guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Klarich View Post
    Yup, but Delphi is the leader in parts for a lot of car and bike parts, that said Amerika should nothave to keep bailing out companies that off shore the parts and jobs? Hd has done this to keep the bean counters happy and raise the price of products The Amerikan dream gone South again I guess
    Sounds like maybe you should move ............... The hermit kingdom comes to mind. Unless I'm mistaken, a rather large majority of the products we use in our daily lives either comes from or are made up in part of foreign content. Want to know why ? Because the frik'n unions in this country have priced themselves out of the labor market. There are 385 + drivers and support staff on the street because the drivers at my former employer's S CA facility voted to join the teamsters. We were paid above scale and had better h&w benefits. But no, the slackers wanted the perceived protection they thought the union would give them from being written up for damaging company equipment. They got protection all right. It's called no job. The company simply did away with the dedicated corporate fleet. I watched 6 weeks of annual paid leave and other perks go down the tubes because a group of 35 drivers and mechanics drank the kool aid served up by the teamsters recruiters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyTX View Post
    Sounds like maybe you should move ............... The hermit kingdom comes to mind. Unless I'm mistaken, a rather large majority of the products we use in our daily lives either comes from or are made up in part of foreign content. Want to know why ? Because the frik'n unions in this country have priced themselves out of the labor market. There are 385 + drivers and support staff on the street because the drivers at my former employer's S CA facility voted to join the teamsters. We were paid above scale and had better h&w benefits. But no, the slackers wanted the perceived protection they thought the union would give them from being written up for damaging company equipment. They got protection all right. It's called no job. The company simply did away with the dedicated corporate fleet. I watched 6 weeks of annual paid leave and other perks go down the tubes because a group of 35 drivers and mechanics drank the kool aid served up by the teamsters recruiters.
    I agree...

    If Walmart had an aisle with just American made products no one would shop that aisle

    Because the next aisle has cheaper imports...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino 2 View Post
    I agree...

    If Walmart had an aisle with just American made products no one would shop that aisle

    Because the next aisle has cheaper imports...

    To Quote Pogo......We have met the enemy and he is ...Us......
    No one would shop that aisle because the products on it would be outrageously priced.
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