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    Default Heat and Your Harley

    Heat and your Harley® V-Twin

    With the EPA clamping down on Harley® emissions, our V-Twins are running pretty lean, making them run hotter than ever before. Over the years, I’ve heard many complaints regarding the unbearable heat rising off the V-Twin when riding slow, or stuck in traffic, to say nothing about possible engine damage. Let’s face it; it is a problem, and adding a Trike kit places more load on your V-Twin, exacerbating the problem. What can we can do about it?

    A phrase was coined a few years ago by some Harley® riders. The phrase is “The Harley-Tax,” and refers to the “pipes and air cleaner” modifications most H-D riders do or have done very soon after purchasing their new bike. We all want that “Harley rumble,” that “potato, potato, potato” sound, which is missing on today’s new bikes and Trikes. Installing a new exhaust system or a set of “performance” mufflers is the first step, followed closely by a change in that restrictive air box and filter. Doing these things will make the motor a better air pump, more air in, more air out, and (hopefully) give you that rumble you were after, but something must be done with the fuel mixture or it will be even leaner than before, and create more heat. On bikes earlier than 2007, you have several choices. The infamous Dealer “Stage-1” download, where the bikes Engine Control Unit is flashed, giving it a new “Map” or fuel curve, if you will. This usually runs about $150, and is done at the dealer only. It’s a one time shot, no further adjustments possible (without another $150) and, these downloads were dyno-created for different combinations of genuine Harley parts, not necessarily what you installed. Other options are one of the many available aftermarket tuners, such as the venerable Power Commander, Fuel Pak, and a host of others. The advantages of these aftermarket tuners is that they allow you to make changes in the future, either with a laptop via a USB connection, or with buttons on the faceplate of the device. You actually have the same choices on 2007 and newer bikes too, but it really is not mandatory, unless you want your motor to run cooler, that is.

    On the 2007 and newer H-D’s, two O2 sensors are used, one in each pipe. When pipes and air cleaner modifications are made, the ECU’s on these 2007 and newer bikes can actually self-tune to compensate for these minor changes, and return the motor to a 14.7:1 stoichiometric AFR, as mandated by the EPA.

    Now, I’m going to get off track here just a bit to explain AFR (air-fuel ratios) and what stoichiometric means. "Stoichiometry" is derived from the Greek word stoikheion, meaning element and metron, meaning measure. A Stoichiometric fuel mixture for gasoline is 14.7 parts of air to 1 part of fuel. This mixture is theoretically the perfect air to fuel ratio, in which there is exactly enough air to burn all of the fuel. That’s what EPA is mandating, and it sounds just perfect. I mean after all, there is exactly the right amount of air to burn ALL the fuel, so what’s wrong with that? Well, quite frankly, several things when dealing like we are here with an air cooled motor. In an air cooled motor, there are no radiators, water jackets, fans, thermostats, water pumps etc. to maintain the motor at a constant temperature, necessitating the need for a varable fuel mixture to keep the heat down, and keep away from the great engine destroyer known as detonation. So, 14.7:1 is “stoich” with lower numbers like 13.7:1 being richer and higher numbers like 15.7 being leaner.

    What does my air cooled V-Twin need? Typically we need a mixture of about 11.5 to 12.5 at cold start (first 30-40 seconds) At idle we’ll want 12.8 to 13.5, and 13 to 14.5 at part throttle cruise. At wide open throttle a mixture of 12.5 to 12.8 will keep the heat down (more fuel = more cooling of the cylinder heads) and keep the motor out of detonation. Is this legal in an emmissions controlled motor? No, it’s not, but the motor will run a lot better, last a lot longer, run cooler, and still give decent fuel mileage.

    So what can be done to combat the heat? There are several things, all legal, BTW. First, if your Harley® is Delphi fuel injected, there is a three phase heat management system built into the software. All F.I. bikes have a temperature probe in the front cylinder head. This thermistor type sensor sends temperature information along the data buss to the ECU. In Phase 1, if the ECU sees engine temperature above 300 degrees F., while the bike is either moving, or standing still, it will reduce idle speed. Theory being that a lower idle has less sparks, producing less heat. In Phase 2, if the ECU sees an engine temperature that is still climbing from Phase 1, it will richen up the AFR. Richer mixture has a cooling affect. In Phase 3, if the ECU sees that the temperature is still going up, and the bike is sitting still, it will go ahead and skip-pulse the injectors, not delivering fuel on each intake stroke. Again, limiting combustion and producing less heat. Phase 3 is only active when the bike is sitting still. These 3 Phases pass from one to another without pause, and you may not even feel or notice it.

    Additionally, Harley® has another download for 2007 and later touring bikes called EITMS, or Engine Idle Temperature Management System. This download shuts off fuel to the rear cylinder injector if ALL of the following conditions are met: High Engine Temperature; Engine at Idle speed; Bike not moving; Clutch lever pulled in, or transmission in neutral. When all of those conditions are met, the rear cylinder will stop firing until one of the conditions above are no longer met. When the engine is in EITMS mode, a difference in exhaust sound and or a unique exhaust odor may be noticed, both of which are considered normal. This one is free from your dealer. Each bike (by VIN) is entitled to have EITMS activated and deactivated once without charge. See HD Service Bulletin M-1191.

    Going along with the ‘Harley-Tax’ items, let’s talk about those pipes. From the factory, Harley Touring models have a rear pipe which splits, with one pipe ‘crossing over’ to the left side of the bike, and the other one out the right side. This whole setup should be replaced with an aftermarket 'True Dual' exhaust. Why? Two reasons. One, the rear cylinder pipe going out the right side passes directly under your right thigh, and is a major source of heat; and two, the left side of the rear cylinder crossover, actually sucks air back in through the left muffler at certain RPM’s and power conditions, raising He!! with the rear cylinder O2 sensor. This off-idle and part throttle exhaust flow (as well as the obvious heat issue) is why performance oriented Harley-folks will replace the stock pipes with a quality aftermarket ‘true dual’ exhaust setup, such as Vance & Hines, Samson, and others. These photos show the differences; stock setup first, and the aftermarket setup (true duals) next.




    Next on the hot list, oil monitoring and control. First and foremost, we must recognize that the oil in your air-cooled V-twin has cooling functions as well as the obvious lubrication duties. As such, it is really the lifeblood of your Harley®. How hot is hot for oil temperature? Surely, oil temperatures in excess of 260 degrees are detrimental and will cause severe damage to your motor over the long run if left unchecked. No oil Temperature gauge? A stock Harley® does not come with an oil temperature gauge, so one of the first things you should do is add one. The easiest one is a “dipstick” type, which is similar to a meat thermometer, with the probe suspended in to oil tank. Both Harley® and the aftermarket have several varieties available. For touring models with the ‘batwing’ fairing, you can replace that (pretty much useless) ‘Air Temperature’ gauge with an oil temperature gauge.






    Again, both Harley® and the aftermarket make kits for this. Now you are armed with some real time knowledge and will be able to make informed decisions on what else may be necessary. A good engine oil temperature is 200 to 230 degrees. Water condensation and acids tend to build-up in the oil if the temperature is consistently below 180 deg. F, and oil viscosity becomes marginal above 300 deg. F. The former statement is why I never start my V-twin unless I intend to ride it long enough to get the oil temperature up above 180, long enough to burn the condensation out of the oil. I am not going to get into the fossil oil vs. synthetic discussion here, no way! That one is best left for the campfire and a couple cold one’s!

    The next logical addition is an oil cooler, period. I’m a firm believer that all air-cooled engines require an oil cooler. Not some wimpy 5 or 6 row job either, but rather a 10 row ‘turbulated’ type oil cooler with an integrated thermostat which will by-pass the oil cooler until the temperature is above the 180 degree mark. It was very pleasing to see that mother Harley® put a factory installed oil cooler on the new Tri-Glide!



    Next, more oil! That’s right, more oil. At 4 quarts total (including the filter) there is not enough ‘cooling’ time in the oil pan. Sure, the oil cooler core will hold a few extra ounces, but we need something like a quart extra to really do the job. Toward that end, I have run extra oil in the frames on some bikes, and even in the crash bars, but Baker Drivetrain has recently come up with a better mousetrap, the “Plus 1” oil pan for touring models. It’s not cheap, and it is time consuming to install (the swing arm shaft has to be partially removed) but it is well worth the extra time and expense. In the stock oil pan, the pickup and return are located within 2 inches of each other, causing some swirling effect, and not allowing the hot oil to remain in the pan long enough to cool. Yes, the stock pan does have a spring-loaded plastic baffle, but the suction and return are still mixing.





    The Baker Plus 1 was tested and shown to reduce oil temperatures by a full 10 degrees on an 80-degree day. The 10° reduction (a conservative measurement) in engine operating temperature on an 80-degree day certainly helps. Especially if you’ve done anything to your bike to make it run warmer like motor hop-ups, blocking the motor’s air circulation, pulling extra weight, (like a Trike kit) or sitting idle on hot asphalt in stop and go traffic on a hot summer day. Parade duty or gridlocked traffic? You’ll like this! The Plus 1 keeps overall oil temperature cooler by designing some common sense into something simple. First, it allows more oil to be stored in the system. The extra quart adds 20% more oil that has to warm up, taking longer to get to peak temperature and keep the peak temperature lower overall. Next, the feed and return ports are on opposite ends of the pan as opposed to being next to each other. Additionally, the overheated oil is forced to mix and cool as it travels from one end to the other, with cast in baffles. Finally, yet importantly, the “Plus 1” pan has cast in cooling fins on the bottom, which add additional surface area for the heat dissipation. There are also cast-in bosses for a 'true-track' type stablizer.

    Ok, what’s next? A cooling fan to keep that precious air flowing between the cylinders when stopped on a hot day, doing parade duty, and other low speed operations. Harley® makes a fan kit, as well as the aftermarket. These are basically 12 Volt “box fans,” similar to a computer cooling fan, but heavy-duty, as they do move huge amounts of air. The one I have moves 200CFM of air @130MPH. (Similar to a leaf blower) The fan sits in place of the horn normally mounted on the left side between the cylinders.



    You have to relocate your horn, but both Harley® and the aftermarket have you covered on that as well. The idea is to start the fan prior to any possible overheat situation. If you are moving along at anything above a brisk jogging speed, leave the fan turned off. When you find yourself close to being stuck in traffic, flip the fan on for that period of time, and turn it off when you are rolling again. The one shown here on my Trike is from LeNale Engineering.

    What else? I’m sure I may have missed a few, but here’s one you may not have considered. The “Diamond Heads” Company in Las Vegas has been issued a Patent on their exclusive cooling fin cutting technology. Sure, you’ve seen cylinders and heads cut this way on TV from some of the big-time chopper builders, but Diamond Heads fin cutting actually does improve cooling.



    The way it works is that each cut not only increases fin area, but also the cuts are made in such a way that turbulence is created across the fins, forcing air into the cylinder and head surfaces. Diamond Heads reports that testing has shown that Diamond Heads cool 12% faster than un-cut pieces. Here’s a sample of their work. They are truly the “King of Bling.”

    Here’s another one for heat reduction. While these deflectors do not do anything to actually reduce engine heat, they do lessen the heat on the riders legs. Once again Harley® and the aftermarket have come up with heat shields, which install under the seat, and attempt to direct engine heat away from the rider.



    Most are called “Saddle Shields” or “Air Deflectors.” Several styles, shapes and colors are available. Again, these air deflectors are standard equipment on the new Tri-Glide.

    I’ve covered a lot of additional parts and expense here, and you may or may not need all of these items, but please do yourself and your bike a favor, and at least install an oil temperature gauge and oil cooler, and seriously consider richening up that fuel mixture, you’ll be miles ahead.

    In future articles, I’ll talk more about the myriad of choices available to H-D folks for fuel injection control, from the ‘auto-tune’ $800 controllers with wide band heated sensors, to a little trick with a couple of resistors you can do for less than a dollar

    Until then Trike Talk brothers and sisters, Ride safe, ride sober, and ride free!

    Dave Bickford

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    Default Re: Heat and Your Harley

    Well done Dave.. great article.

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    From one Dave to another, Thanks!
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    Good stuff Dave. Great information.

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    Here's another one:
    Covingtons (and others) sell a set of floorboard brackets that move the boards out 1" and forward 1.5". I installed these to give myself more leg room, but a side benefit was extra air flowing between your legs and the motor.
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    Default Re: Heat and Your Harley

    Another addition.. DM Custom Cycles is getting ready to release their Floorboard Oil coolers. They will add 2 quarts to your oil supply. No pricing yet.

    "Scientifically designed to address the overheating issues becoming a concern for 96 inch and larger harleys, the oil coolers will add 2 quarts additional oil volume and will drop oil temp 25 to 30 degrees.
    By implementing bottom skid runners into the design,these oil coolers are built to withstand extreme cornering wear .available options include adapters and bypass valves.
    Available in wrinkle black and natural finishes, the coolers have individual drain plugs, come with floorboard tops, and include all fittings."


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    Wow D & M are proud of these Items over $500 a piece "Man Oh Man"????

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    In addition to a larger oil cooler an oil cooler fan will assist with the cooling when at idle or not in motion. I have the oil cooler fan on the same circuit as the parade fan and when I hit traffic in the hot summer months just reach down and hit the ACC switch. The new Ultra Cooler for HD is a 15 row with a dedicated fan. I use the Jagg 10 Row with the Arizona fan kit.

    For rider comfort wrapping the headpipe with header wrap including the down runners will reduce radiated heat. I used the 2000 degree wrap and sealer, one of the best things I have done for rider comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coupe55 View Post
    In addition to a larger oil cooler an oil cooler fan will assist with the cooling when at idle or not in motion.
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    I am kind of new to this forum, not to many posts. I have a 2010 Street Glide Trike that I purchased new in September of 2009, with the same heat issues as all of you have. I MELTED a Lenale fan from the heat, so I found out about a Fulsac header pipe to get rid of the CAT so I purchased it and installed, NO MORE CAT. Now I have a different Trike NO HEAT, MORE POWER. I have not read past posts so I do not know if this was brought up.

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    Some of my add on's

    Fulsac header
    Arnott air ride with 11 position damping, compressor,gauge,switch,3" lift & lower
    HD Screaming Eagle smart tune
    Supertrapp Screaming Eagle flow through mufflers
    HID BI-ZENON headlight
    LED tail lights
    LED turn signals
    Radar with front & rear lazor
    GPS
    LED gear indicator
    Headwinds headlight bezel
    Mustang seat
    Razor back trunk with passenger pillow
    Driver adjustable back rest
    Screaming Eagle air intake system
    All new shift & brake levers
    MUCH new CHROME
    ETC. :woohoo:

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    Very well written and extremely informative. :wtg:

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    Mr. Doughboy, a very nice trike w/a good many extra's ! I have a 2010 Tri Glide. I too changed my exhaust, replaced breather and new tuner. Made a big differance. I have many extra's but not the Air Ride, Gear indicator and the Radar. Could you please tell me more about each and where you purchased these. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefbuc View Post
    Mr. Doughboy, a very nice trike w/a good many extra's ! I have a 2010 Tri Glide. I too changed my exhaust, replaced breather and new tuner. Made a big differance. I have many extra's but not the Air Ride, Gear indicator and the Radar. Could you please tell me more about each and where you purchased these. Thanks.
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    I sure will. Give me a couple of days to dig out my receipts.

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    Hi chiefbuc & members
    As a reply to your information wanted.

    Air ride was purchased at Arnott Inc. 13" shocks # 9048-AL-B Aldan 11 way adjustable for damping. $ 1099.99. Also a mounting bracket # 21-2931-B cost $59.00. VERY MUCH LIKE the system.

    I purchased the gear indicator from Dakota Digital #DD-PGR-1100 for $213.75 GREAT to know what gear you are in.

    Weatherproof Radar TPX #ADT001-1 made by Adaptiv Technologies purchased from Hayneedle $299.99
    Will need mount model # D-01-11 mirror hole mount #85.00 + shipping I purchased from Adaptiv Technologies ( can also purchase radar there )

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    Thanks Mr. doughboy. Will look into these products very soon.
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    I triked out my 07 FLHTC in 08. Until recently, had lived with the scorching heat because of the exorbitant cost to implement some of the recommended solutions. Since then have worked on reducing heat problems without taking out another mortgage by:
    1. Replacing stock a/c with K&N RK3910. $185.
    2. Installed Dobeck Performance Jet Kit FI-1440ST. $175. It has helped tremendously. The heat has dropped significantly. Plus it's fully adjustable (idle, cruise, acceleration, deceleration, wide open, plus transitional settings).
    4. Replacing H-D Syn3 with Red Line oil. Have used Red Line for years in previous hopped up rides.
    The net effect of these changes has been significantly lower heat, much better performance in all gears (at the expense of lower mpg), and more pleasurable miles.

    The next projects are:
    1. The exhaust system. Am looking into AC Custom mufflers to improve overall performance. They may help with further reducing the heat. Estimated cost $250.
    2. Will be investigating an oil temp gauge. It should help to determine if a cooler is absolutely necessary.
    Bob

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    your on the right course. Richen up the mixture cools down the heat. The cats in a 07 are in the mufflers so replacing them is a good idea. You might have to re-adjust the mixture again. Keep us updated. working with the carb is somewhat easier then the F.I. for us back yard mechanics
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    Great info on the heating issue. I have contacted Harley, and my bike goes in for the over heating problem which actually shut my bike down. I have heard conflicting stories about the synthetic oils. My bike got so hot, it started smoking and put a film on the horn and air cleaner. Let's see what happens when I take the bike in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DONH View Post
    Great info on the heating issue. I have contacted Harley, and my bike goes in for the over heating problem which actually shut my bike down. I have heard conflicting stories about the synthetic oils. My bike got so hot, it started smoking and put a film on the horn and air cleaner. Let's see what happens when I take the bike in.
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    welcome aboard Don. Good luck on the service. The best thing about synthetic is it's resistance to heat damage. That's why it is good in a Harley. Get dyno oil to hot and it breaks down and must be replaced. Synthetic takes alot more heat.
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