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[QUOTE=MDO;621284][B]Jack[/B],[I][U] would you think that in replacing this part, they would have to bleed the clutch line, to get all the air out?[/U][/I]
That is my thought & I am going to now hold off on replacing/flushing the clutch brake fluid.
I'm checking it in a little while, as I want to get a ride in.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Secondary Clutch Actuator sounds like a fancy name for slave cylinder, and definitely will require bleeding. They will replace the fluid with new I would think.
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[QUOTE=MDO;621284][B]Jack[/B],[I][U] would you think that in replacing this part, they would have to bleed the clutch line, to get all the air out?[/U][/I]
That is my thought & I am going to now hold off on replacing/flushing the clutch brake fluid.
I'm checking it in a little while, as I want to get a ride in.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Yes, they will have to bleed the system
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[QUOTE=MDO;621285]Yes, I went there last night & it is. We had talked about this before, but I wonder if this is why the newer soft tails went to cable operated clutches.[/QUOTE]
Yes I think so, plus IMO HD wanted to give the heavier baggers and Trikes an easier pull clutch
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I checked my brake fluid level prior to my ride today & it was in limits & did not look bad at all, though it was definitely darker that new DOT 4. I turned my pleasure ride/lunch into a ride to my dealer.
I do have some updated info from my chosen dealer,[I][U] Doc's HD in STL.[/U][/I]
As others stated, they said the initial recall replacement parts will start arriving at dealerships 11/5/2018.
They were told they would receive recall repair kits weekly until all are fixed. I am scheduled to get the fix on Wednesday, November 14 in the morning. I told them the only thing that would hamper this if there is ice/freezing rain or snow.
They will flush the system while in there & I am glad, as I don't have to mess with it & getting that cover off. I will do the front & rear brakes later this year & will then be on a schedule to flush all brake fluid lines every even year. :cool:
As far as my ride today ( 50 miles), my Freewheeler is still running like a dream & improving with every ride, If that's possible.:clapping: I am impressed with the M8, as far as torque & smoothness, after the minor adjustments I made, which were a K&N replacement air filter in the stock box & an external breather system of my own design.
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Good info Michael
I am wondering if this new slave cylinder has a smaller piston
If it does the tranny oil will be easier to drop down and flow back to the gears
This could help the oil migration;)
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Michael, did your dealer give you an estimate of time involved to perform recall work?
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clutch
[QUOTE=Uncle Bubba;620998][URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/10/23/harley-davidson-recall/1738046002/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Talked to my dealer Friday. Asked him about a clutch recall on the 2019 TG. Nothing yet, but since they use the same parts as the last couple years, expect one. His words
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[QUOTE=dannymax;622784]Michael, did your dealer give you an estimate of time involved to perform recall work?[/QUOTE]
Dan, I read book time is 1 hour
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Here is what I gleamed from the NHSTA
[B]Year: 2017 Make: Harley-Davidson Model: Freewheeler[/B]
[B]Number of Open Recalls: 1[/B]
[B]NHTSA Recall Number: opens new window takes away from VIN lookup section> [URL="https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls?nhtsaId=NotAvailable"] Not Available [/URL] Recall Date: October 18, 2018
Manufacturer Recall Number: 0173[/B]
[B]SUMMARY:[/B]
The hydraulic clutch system with secondary clutch actuator part numbers 37200131and 37200131A on the subject motorcycles may exhibit an internal leak of fluid past the secondary clutch actuator piston/seal. If this leak continues for an extended period, the clutch master cylinder reservoir could lose enough fluid toexpose the hydraulic clutch circuit to air, which may result in the inability togenerate enough lift to disengage the clutch. [B]SAFETY RISK:[/B]
If this condition remains undetected, it could lead to a loss of control of the vehicle when started in gear, first shifted into gear, or coming to a stop. [B]REMEDY:[/B]
Owners of affected motorcycles will be asked to arrange service with an authorized Harley-Davidson dealer, who will confirm that the motorcycle is covered by this recall. If covered, the dealer will install a new secondary actuator piston assembly from the recall kit, P/N 91500093. This service will beprovided at no charge to the customer.
[B]RECALL STATUS:[/B]
Recall INCOMPLETE
[B]MANUFACTURER NOTES:[/B]
NA
If the manufacturer has failed or is unable to remedy this safety recall for your vehicle in a timely manner, please contact the NHTSA Vehicle Safety Hotline at: 1-888-327-4236 or TTY: 1-800-424-9153 or file an [URL="https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/"]online complaint with NHTSA[/URL].
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My 17 is on the list,this will make the 8th issue I have had with this bike.I was thinking of buying a new one in 2020 but HD is going to have to get their act together before I buy another new one.The service guy i spoke to today said he had a question for the HD rep.If the brake fluid is leaking into the trans and the trans is migrating into the primary what is brake fluid doing to the clutches?
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[QUOTE=Mykneesbehurtin;622990]My 17 is on the list,this will make the 8th issue I have had with this bike.I was thinking of buying a new one in 2020 but HD is going to have to get their act together before I buy another new one.The service guy i spoke to today said he had a question for the HD rep.If the brake fluid is leaking into the trans and the trans is migrating into the primary what is brake fluid doing to the clutches?[/QUOTE]
You might want to look up your State's Lemon Laws and see if they apply to your current trike? These problems have been all over the place in terms of who gets affected and who doesn't. I sort of took a leap of faith and only having one problem with my 2017 trike which was a front O2 sensor with no migration or other issues, I decided that maybe the MOCO is getting it together and I got a beautiful Scorched Orange/Black Denim 2019. I hope I didn't open a can of worms?
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[QUOTE=dannymax;622784]Michael, did your dealer give you an estimate of time involved to perform recall work?[/QUOTE]
Like Jack said, they estimate 1 hour.
The service manual states you need to loosen the pipes from the cylinder heads to get the cover off, but most say you can just loosen the heat shields. I saw it done on the [I][U]Fix My Hog[/U][/I] website, but it was not on a trike, it was an M8 touring model.
If the cover comes off easy, the rest of the recall is a breeze.
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[QUOTE=Jack Klarich;621308]Yes I think so, plus IMO HD wanted to give the heavier baggers and Trikes an easier pull clutch[/QUOTE]
I doubt it I've had a 14 Ultra Limited, 16 triglide and now a 18 triglide - all of them same clutch strength. start working on your muscles
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I checked with my dealer last Friday, and was told by the service writers that the part were to be shipped by Harley on the 15 of November, So to check with them around Thanksgiving for repair dates.
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Checked the website and mine is on recall. Checked with the dealer and they said parts would be in about Nov. 5. They said they didn't know how many they might get but put me on a list and said they would give me a call.
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Some new info
[FONT=sans-serif]OMB Control No.: 2127-0004[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Part 573 Safety Recall Report [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]18V-734[/FONT]
[FONT=sans-serif]The information contained in this report was submitted pursuant to 49 CFR §573[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Manufacturer Name : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Harley-Davidson Motor Company[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Submission Date :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]OCT 22, 2018[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NHTSA Recall No. :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]18V-734[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Manufacturer Recall No. : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]0173[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Manufacturer Information :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Manufacturer Name :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Harley-Davidson Motor Company[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Address :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]3700 W. Juneau Avenue[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Milwaukee WI 53201-0653[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Company phone : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif](414) 343-4056[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Population :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Number of potentially involved : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]177,636[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Estimated percentage with defect :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]1 %[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Vehicle Information :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Vehicle 1 :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]2017-2017 Harley-Davidson Touring, CVO Touring and Trike[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Vehicle Type :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]MOTORCYCLES[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Body Style : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]OTHER[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Power Train : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]GAS[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Descriptive Information :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]All 2017 Touring, CVO Touring and Trike model motorcycles are part of the recall [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]population. These models are equipped with a hydraulic clutch system with [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]secondary clutch actuator part numbers 37200131 and 37200131A. [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]The specific number of this make/model/model year is: 92744[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Production Dates : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]MAR 06, 2016[/FONT]
[FONT=serif] - JUN 17, 2017[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]VIN Range 1 :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Begin :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NR[/FONT]
[FONT=serif] End :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NR[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Not sequential[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Vehicle 2 :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]2017-2017 Harley-Davidson Softail: FLSS, FLSTFBS, FXSE[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Vehicle Type :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]MOTORCYCLES[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Body Style : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]OTHER[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Power Train : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]GAS[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Descriptive Information :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]2017 Softail FLSS, FLSTFBS, FXSE model motorcycles are part of the recall [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]population. These models are equipped with a hydraulic clutch system with [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]secondary clutch actuator part numbers 37200131 and 37200131A. [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]The specific number of this make/model/model year is: 5115[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Production Dates : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]MAR 16, 2017[/FONT]
[FONT=serif] - JUN 28, 2018[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]VIN Range 1 :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Begin :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NR[/FONT]
[FONT=serif] End :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NR[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Not sequential[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Vehicle 3 :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]2018-2018 Harley-Davidson Touring, CVO Touring, Trike[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Vehicle Type :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]MOTORCYCLES[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Body Style : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]OTHER[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Power Train : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]GAS[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Descriptive Information :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]All 2018 Touring, CVO Touring and Trike model motorcycles are part of the recall [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]population. These models are equipped with a hydraulic clutch system with [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]secondary clutch actuator part numbers 37200131 and 37200131A. [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Page [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]2[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Part 573 Safety Recall Report [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]18V-734[/FONT]
[FONT=sans-serif]The information contained in this report was submitted pursuant to 49 CFR §573[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]The specific number of this make/model/model year is: 79777[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Production Dates : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]MAR 06, 2017[/FONT]
[FONT=serif] - JUN 28, 2018[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]VIN Range 1 :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Begin :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NR[/FONT]
[FONT=serif] End :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NR[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Not sequential[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Description of Defect :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Description of the Defect : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]The hydraulic clutch system with secondary clutch actuator part numbers [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]37200131 and 37200131A on the subject motorcycles may exhibit an internal [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]leak of fluid past the secondary clutch actuator piston/seal. If this leak [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]continues for an extended period, the clutch master cylinder reservoir could [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]lose enough fluid to expose the hydraulic clutch circuit to air, which may result [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]in the inability to generate enough lift to disengage the clutch. [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]FMVSS 1 :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NR[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]FMVSS 2 :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NR[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Description of the Safety Risk :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]If this condition remains undetected, it could lead to a loss of control of the [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]vehicle when started in gear, first shifted into gear, or coming to a stop.[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Description of the Cause : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]An internal leak of fluid past the secondary clutch actuator piston/seal.[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Identification of Any Warning [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]that can Occur : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]In vehicles in which this condition is present, the fluid level in the clutch master [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]cylinder may become low. [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Supplier Identification :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Component Manufacturer [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Name : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]BREMBO NORTH AMERICA, INC[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Address :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]47765 Halyard[/FONT]
[FONT=serif] Plymouth MICHIGAN 48170[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Country : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]United States [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Chronology :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]See attached chronology.[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Page [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]3[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Part 573 Safety Recall Report [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]18V-734[/FONT]
[FONT=sans-serif]The information contained in this report was submitted pursuant to 49 CFR §573[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Description of Remedy :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Description of Remedy Program :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Owners of affected motorcycles will be asked to arrange service with an [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]authorized Harley-Davidson dealer, who will confirm that the motorcycle [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]is covered by this recall. If covered, the dealer will install a new secondary [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]actuator piston assembly from the recall kit, P/N 91500093. [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]This service will be provided at no charge to the customer. Pursuant to 49 [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]CFR577.11(e), Harley-Davidson requests that it be exempt from providing [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]a notification of a reimbursement plan. Any pre-notification product [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]failure would have been replaced under the manufacturer’s limited [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]warranty. Accordingly, no person would be eligible for reimbursement [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]pursuant to 573.13.[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]How Remedy Component Differs [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]from Recalled Component :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]The secondary actuator piston assembly in the recall kit (P/N 91500093) [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]has a lip seal with a different material. Additionally, the surface finish of [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]the piston assembly has been changed.[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Identify How/When Recall Condition [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]was Corrected in Production : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]The updated secondary actuator piston seal assembly was introduced at [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]the start of model year 2019 production. [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Recall Schedule :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Description of Recall Schedule : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Harley-Davidson will notify the dealer network on or about 10/22/2018. [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Owner notification letters will be sent beginning on or about [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]11/05/2018.[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Planned Dealer Notification Date : [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]OCT 22, 2018[/FONT]
[FONT=serif] - [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]OCT 22, 2018[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]Planned Owner Notification Date :[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NOV 05, 2018[/FONT]
[FONT=serif] - [/FONT]
[FONT=serif]NOV 09, 2018[/FONT]
[FONT=serif]* NR - Not Reported[/FONT]
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Tri Glide recall
I have 2018 Tri Glide clutch is on recall. But also per dealer fluid from transmission leaked over into the primary also with the clutch recall. and a primary leak at the same time. The dealer didn't think it was a big deal about losing fluid from transmission. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Bike has been at the shop for two weeks.
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[QUOTE=swalker;623483]I have 2018 Tri Glide clutch is on recall. But also per dealer fluid from transmission leaked over into the primary also with the clutch recall. and a primary leak at the same time. The dealer didn't think it was a big deal about losing fluid from transmission. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Bike has been at the shop for two weeks.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to Trike Talk
Start here
[url]https://www.triketalk.com/forum/threads/51206-Question-for-those-with-transmission-oil-transfer-issues?p=616230#post616230[/url]
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[QUOTE=swalker;623483]I have 2018 Tri Glide clutch is on recall. But also per dealer fluid from transmission leaked over into the primary also with the clutch recall. and a primary leak at the same time. The dealer didn't think it was a big deal about losing fluid from transmission. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Bike has been at the shop for two weeks.[/QUOTE]
Steven welcome to Trike-Talk.........:wave4:
As far as the Transmission to the primary, Yes quite a few have that problem...And thats why i got rid of my 17 Tri-Glide .......:mad:
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[QUOTE=swalker;623483]I have 2018 Tri Glide clutch is on recall. But also per dealer fluid from transmission leaked over into the primary also with the clutch recall. and a primary leak at the same time. The dealer didn't think it was a big deal about losing fluid from transmission. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Bike has been at the shop for two weeks.[/QUOTE]
My 17 is having oil migration,the dealers job is to act like its all normal.Mine has had the so called fix installed but the weather has turned crappy and i dought if i will get 1000 miles on it before spring but at least it has been logged with HD.