2006 VTX 1800 Motortrike rearend R&R - Fix Broken Welds for Ladder Bar Mount -

Well, the box was in Texas yesterday... and in the words of Mel Fisher -

TODAY'S THE DAY! :clapping:

Scheduled to be there by close of business!

For those not familiar with the Treasure Coast of Florida... or Mel....

https://www.melfisher.com/SalvageOperations/TributeToMel.asp

Volkemon said:

Well, the box was in Texas yesterday... and in the words of Mel Fisher -

TODAY'S THE DAY! :clapping:

Scheduled to be there by close of business!

For those not familiar with the Treasure Coast of Florida... or Mel....

https://www.melfisher.com/SalvageOperations/TributeToMel.asp

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When you have a moment would you please shoot an email my way (tech@motortrike.com) with your information. That way I can go ahead & put you in our system to get the ball rolling a little bit faster once it's processed through our warehouse.

trike tech said:

When you have a moment would you please shoot an email my way (tech@motortrike.com) with your information. That way I can go ahead & put you in our system to get the ball rolling a little bit faster once it's processed through our warehouse.

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Will do!

The adventure continues.

Crate arrived today, contents received with glee! :clapping:

HOWEVER... I really do have an antique. The rear axle I have is not a match to current production. Has not been for ~10 years.:xzqxz:

The current production jig is not usable on my axle.:annoyed:

So a flat table, much measuring and even fabbing up a set of VTX ladder bars are in the process. Richard talked me through the process ahead, and I appreciate the extra work. :Angel:

He did note that their inspection also found irregularities with welds, and even maybe many possibly missing in the support welding. Current production apparently has *everything* getting a bead. :Shrug: And maybe something with wire selection. BUT.... There is NO body in the shop presently that was working there then. They are certainly standing behind their work, to say the least. Shows you the devotion of a company covering this to a secondary purchaser.

Original ETD from MotorTrike was tomorrow, amazingly enough. But having to 'one off' this takes time.

And with new developments it is moved to next week after wed. NO worries. I am extremely grateful the process is underway. BEYOND grateful.

This ride is gonna be right. :good: Poor Mrs V is standing firm as the trike gets ripped to shreds... :crossing:

Glad Motor Trike is standing behind you on this. Me having a Motortrike kit also feels better to know they do care about the customer and going above and beyond to make it right.

David

Glad it is all coming together for you.

So it was poor … or lack of … welding huh?

Are they making you new ladder bars or are you … did attachment points change like they maybe cut all new bracing, gussets, etc.

Hard to say exactly what it was, but welding process was the best guess. As I stated above, there isnt a person in the construction end that was there to say WHAT was 'normal' to weld or not back then.

No need for new ladder bars. As I understand it, they made up a pair of the ones like I have just for fitment in the shop. IF indeed I do need new ones for whatever reason, I expect they will let me know.

Being that they are going above and beyond what I already considered superior response, I am open to things changing.

Their 'task' got bigger the moment they realized the age of my conversion. Could have VERY easily been a phone call saying 'sorry we cant do this'. Instead it was an explanation of why a jig wasnt being used, as initially stated. That it was being done as a one-off, with all the extra work that NOT having a jig entails.

Might I add WITHOUT ONE MENTION of added costs.

The original estimate was so reasonable, I doubled (!) it just in case. Even doubled it was a bargain, and even more so now seeing the work going in. I would have been having to do the same, on my own, WITHOUT a shop full of trike experience around me. Whatever it takes, I am confident that the work will be top notch.

I will bet my, and My Wife's life on it.

'Florida Freeze' here, 37* this morning. Falling Iguana Warnings posted. :afraid:

No kidding. And you thought 'Raining Cats and Dogs' was tough.

Better than my 10thMTN INF days in Valcartier base....we saw 20-30 BELOW zero this time of year. Dont miss it.

BUT.... today should be the day I hear about the rear end being...done? Near? Bad news travels fast, and I have not heard a thing, so thats good news in my book. :wink:

So looking forward to it.

Thirty Seven? Saw that on our news here in Va. last night, "falling iguanas" … :laugh: I told the wife of when I was a kid in Del Rio, Tx., back in the '50s, was a hurricane hit the gulf coast likely, but Mom & Dad told us about it raining frogs. Wasn't many trees, the frogs had been swept up by the winds elsewhere and literally rained down in west Texas. Gooey mess on the road. Was a hurricane in like '54, flooded the Rio Grande, the Devil's R. flooded, then was draught for years after.

I suspect iguanas would get your attention … especially if they fell on your helmet face shield as you rode. But iguanas falling from trees likely will survive … unless they then get smootered on the road.

For some reason, I thought I had read the rear was done, but then all day yesterday this sight was kaput to my PC? Hope it all goes well and a speedy return is the result, I know the anticipation & constant planning of things to tend to upon reassembly.

"Glee on 3" would be a tight fit on a MC plate.

Yeah, I couldnt log on.

Unfortunately only 5 digits on a cycle tag. Works on a regular tag though!! May have to vanity tag the cycle hauler. :clapping: '2 ON 3' will look nice with hearts below.

My wife dreamed we had it done. Everybody dream with us.

Thanks for the dreams folks. Couldnt have written the story better.

Richard called. Its done. I also added two latches, hinges and a motortrike emblem, as mine is a little ratty.

Initially he quoted me $300. No, i I didnt miss a zero. $300.

Thought that was crazy cheap, so planned on ~$500. With shipping, I got less than a grand in the repair.

As y'all might have read, things got even more complicated. The jig wouldnt work on my old axle. Had to be hand done. Their lead welder was on the job.

And I added stuff. Soooooooo..... my new total....


I tested myself to ensure I am awake. Not a dream. Box is shipping out today.

Absolutely infreakincredible.

THIS is what customer service is all about. Actually, FANTASY customer service. 'Real world' customer service would have had it returned to me as obsolete and irreparable.

I am so excited I cant even eat lunch. Been trying for a 1/2 hr.

MOTOR TRIKE.... you rock. I am humbled and impressed. No sh*t, you have a grown man moved to tears in a partsroom in FL, trying to compose himself to go back to work. Been a little tense about this, $10K in on a trike that we rode four times. Relief hit me.

GLEE ON THREE is Coming back soon.

i'm extremely happy for you. can't wait to see it all back togather and rideable.

Its home.



With a small box of shiny stuff too! :clapping:



Unfortunately, this crack came home too. :blush:

REALLY?!?!?

Not like I POSTED F"N PICTURES IN HD OF EVERY SINGLE CRACK..................... :xzqxz: :annoyed::badmood::blowup::mob:



(above picture is before it left. I am not in the mood to switch my camera lens, set up the light etc for one pic)

Makes one think about quality control. :nonono:

I am going to enjoy some of the areas finest fish and chips, and relax and think before I comment in detail.

Delivery man dropped it? :Shrug:

Makes you wonder how deep the welds are? Stresses built up?

I know you're going over welds with magnifier & bright light, I would be. If that was the only one cracked, I might would Vee it & put some of my own melted metal on top.

Is that rust I see? Any chance that's a cracked weld from before?

Cracks in welds ain't horse shoes ... close don't count.

CrystalPistol said:

Delivery man dropped it? :Shrug:

Makes you wonder how deep the welds are? Stresses built up?

I know you're going over welds with magnifier & bright light, I would be. If that was the only one cracked, I might would Vee it & put some of my own melted metal on top.

Is that rust I see? Any chance that's a cracked weld from before?

Cracks in welds ain't horse shoes ... close don't count.

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Delivery man could have tossed that crate off a truck, it would have done lots of crate damage before ever getting close to affecting the contents.

The rust was there when I sent it. The picture is from BEFORE I sent the axle out. Evidently they didnt bother to check the axle thoroughly.

Its not like I provided a full color high definition collection of pictures showing the cracks. Wait..... I DID.

And Richard made it clear they were aware of this thread.

Not to mention they doubled up on the welds for the spring shocks and airbags. FOR NO GOOD REASON I can see but to run beads. I am sincerely hoping they didnt warp the axle tubes. Whoever was welding got penetration all right....

There is some serious weld warping on the ladder bar bracket. The welds look great, but a lesson in weld sequence and weldment warpage might be in order.

Here is a simplified expanation of what I am referring to.

http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/welding-distortion.html

""The accumulation of weld metal shrinkage stress from a weld bead can be compared to boot laces.When you lace a boot each lace holds a bit of stress.

And if you ignore that fact, you can wind up with boots that are laced too tight at the ankle.

Each ripple of a weld bead is a freeze line and indicates a solidifaction of weld metal that shrinks upon cooling. All that shrinking adds up and that is why the direction of travel of a weld bead has a great affect on distortion.""

So... once I cool down a bit, a proper inspection of the axle will take place. See how welds were put down, start using a straight edge to see how much things are distorted.

Try to get a feel for how much locked in stress there might be.

Check and see if the axle ends are still pointed towards the center of the differential. All those *$#*@#$ UNNECESSARY beads on one side of the tube, and possibly put down with no regard to warpage.

See if I am going to have to anneal the entire axle, and if that is even practical.

I am just in a bit of shock. After feeling so good about the service, to have such ....well... 'product' sent to my door..

I would be very hesitant to trust their work without intense inspection. SO glad I spec'd no paint on the axle. Thick coat of black paint would have hidden things. I would advise anyone getting a weldment to request NO PAINT.

Returning it with the same crack(s?) it left with... Damn. Thats sad.

I sent these guys my best. If this is their best... there is plenty of room for improvement. Next time charge me more and do the job completely.

Sorry for the rant. I have to get back into 'work mode' and attend to this later.

That really sucks. Shouldn't that crack been ground down before welding? Shame on the welder

Volkemon said:

Delivery man could have tossed that crate off a truck, it would have done lots of crate damage before ever getting close to affecting the contents.

The rust was there when I sent it. The picture is from BEFORE I sent the axle out. Evidently they didnt bother to check the axle thoroughly.

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Well, I was mostly joking about the delivery man dropping it … :laugh: … but you did build quite a box.

Sorry to hear or read about the bad deal. Like a waste of time & effort not to mention a small outlay of cash . Looking pretty sad on their part, but on the bright side, the axle is shorter than Ford made it, so any distortion will show less, and there is a hair of room for variations. Hopeful that it's not too bad. The only real problem areas would be the alignment of bearing races/rollers at the wheel ends with the axle shafts I think, likely the splined ends are within tolerance where they'll enter the side gears. The other "tell" will be left to right wheel alignment, or toe.

It's a pretty robust housing for the job at hand, that's good thing.

More I think on it, unless it's really warped bad, you'll be OK with some welding. I know it's a small comfort, but soon Spring will be here.

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That really sucks. Shouldn't that crack been ground down before welding? Shame on the welder

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Little misunderstanding here... the cracked weld you see was on the axle when I sent it to them. Welder missed it....

I will be welding it, and HELL YES it will be 'Vee'd' out before welding.

CrystalPistol said:

Well, I was mostly joking about the delivery man dropping it … :laugh: … but you did build quite a box.

Sorry to hear or read about the bad deal. Like a waste of time & effort not to mention a small outlay of cash . Looking pretty sad on their part, but on the bright side, the axle is shorter than Ford made it, so any distortion will show less, and there is a hair of room for variations. Hopeful that it's not too bad. The only real problem areas would be the alignment of bearing races/rollers at the wheel ends with the axle shafts I think, likely the splined ends are within tolerance where they'll enter the side gears. The other "tell" will be left to right wheel alignment, or toe.

It's a pretty robust housing for the job at hand, that's good thing.

More I think on it, unless it's really warped bad, you'll be OK with some welding. I know it's a small comfort, but soon Spring will be here.

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Here in the land of eternal summer, AKA Florida, Spring coming means heat is too. THIS is the time of year to enjoy riding.

I am sincerely hoping things go together and work. When disassembling the axle, I found one of the backing plates had washers between it and the axle. Only one... so when I assemble, I will not install them and see if there is a problem with spider shaft clearance or similar. I bet they got put there to fix something..

Or possibly the idiots that last worked it over installed them wrong and didnt care. Hard to say, so every single stage of assembly will be done with frequent stops for inspection.

This is 'life' getting a used kit without instructions. Can get....exciting. And frustrating. I bet I r&r'd the exhaust 15 times. But it looks fantastic, and like it is a factory job.

My wife is very trusting of me, and my abilities. She really misses the trike, and cant wait to go riding again. She knows I will leave no stone unturned while I look for issues. I may install the housing before assembly so I can establish the exhaust routing. HOPING to go over the axle with the pipes... would be slick.

But I hope we get some good riding in before spring arrives... New Years day was last ride.

Volkemon said:

I may install the housing before assembly so I can establish the exhaust routing. HOPING to go over the axle with the pipes... would be slick.

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Gonna be tight too. :cxtv:

Finding these things, taking time and paying close attention to details to suit yourself is normal.

When I got our trike I had a problem with some lights, got to looking, found a bad ground splice, also found a bunch of blue scotchlok wire splice connectors that I learned long ago to NOT trust (they cut open insulation, let moisture in, stress the wire strands, cut some strands, etc) as I've stopped a bunch of stuff (tractor trailers or other towed vehicles usually) at night for no rear lights or flickering lights only to find wiring done with them. I pulled every one and did proper spllces using good technique, solder, my dad's old Weller (1950s era, get's hot fast on second click) and tape (Scotch Super 33) … & maybe shrink tube in places. I always almost add a small zip tie, though not needed, just how I am?.

End of my light issue, but it took some time. I have the manuals & other paperwork, invoices, etc, it's simply how kits get installed because it's faster & easy, I saw that installer did it by the book using kit supplied Scotchloks. I mentioned it a few times to the original owner / installer … he asked why I did them all and not just fix the bad connection & ride. :laugh: Just a different view.:Shrug: Scotchloks may work on low current wires when insulated with tape, but they still stress wires & cut strands, I just don't like them.

Back in 2010 I was driving my "new to me" '07 FX4 Ford. Wife & puppy with me, was dusk, we were eating ice cream cones. Mama deer & small spotted fawn run out from brush, one hit my bumper and bent it on left end. Called local PD, they come, made note of non reportable crash, gave me his name for my ins. co. (I have $50 deductible from the '70s still). I get estimate at great local shop (Estimater "Mr. *&%%$#, it's gonna be $1,056.27 to replace & paint that bumper with a new Ford bumper", …me "Oh, that's OK, I quit caring when it passed $50"), old friend runs it. They fix it, paint new bumper, beautiful paint ... I could tell though that the headlight and panel above the bumper were not aligned just right or something. I paid, get home, crawled under for a look. When I took the truck up there I had pointed out a bent left side frame horn bracket that needed straightening, the boys in his shop did not do that.

They used front end alignment horse shoe type shims and the bolts was just barely tightened. I removed the fog lights, took the bumper, the upper bumper cover off and saw they had also not mounted it right under the headlight, hence the decreased gap at the headlight base. I straightened the bent bracket, put it all back together right, I mean perfect. Put the shims in a bag and a few days later dropped in on my buddy and give him back the shims. He was apologetic, I told him I knew that he didn't do it, but his shop boys did. He took the shims. I did compliment the painter. I told him only took a couple hours to fix.

I know, $50 is a low deductible, my insurance people tell me it will not save me much to increase it and that once I do, I'll never see it at $50 again. Been with them & Erie since '76.