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    Default Harley Security System

    Tri Glide Owners
    I am going to attach a letter written by a friend of mine from our local HOG Chapter, Bayside HOG. Believe it or not, it actually got worse when the insurance company sent him the $$ to pay for his stolen ride. In addition to the problems he ran into, they knocked down the value of the insured bike because it had (what they consider) excessive mileage. His bike had 65,000 on the odometer.
    This guy is a rider, his bike is not garage jewelry. After talking with Rodney last Friday, I am looking into getting my bikes "accessories" covered, trying to learn more about securing the bike and making sure my mileage (80,000 +) does not cripple my rides value.
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    Here is his story:

    The purpose of the article is to make you aware off just how unsecure your motorcycle really is from a security prospective. I recently left Virginia for what I thought would be an eleven thousand mile round trip coast to coast ride combining work with the pleasure of riding. The first leg of my ride was a one day ride to New Iberia LA where I spent two days working following an excellent ride. From LA it was off to Port Orchard Washington, another three thousand miles. Once again the work part came into to play and I spent a week and a half in PO, then off to Oakland CA a short 800 mile ride. It was there things turned interesting. One afternoon a couple of days after my arrival I was sitting in my hotel room relaxing after a long work day when I heard a motorcycle start up. I thought to myself Oh another rider in the house, his bike sounds just like mine. Now imagine if you will my surprise when I walk over to the window of my third floor hotel room to take a look just in time to see my 2011 FLHTK pulling out of the parking lot. A quick call to 911 was answered by “Due to a high call volume please hold the line, you call will be answered in the order it was received”. Seven minutes later the call was answered, you have no idea how long seven minutes can be when someone is riding off on your ride. I was told by the dispatcher than an officer would come by and take my report, while failing to mention it would be four hours later.

    Apparently the theft of my motorcycle was not as high on their priority list as it was on mine.
    In an attempt to figure out how my bike was ridden off with the front forks locked and the key fob in my pocket I talked to (quizzed) anyone and everyone who would listen and the response was the same, it’s impossible. I am here to tell you it is possible, I have seen it done. After three weeks of talking to what I considered knowledgeable individuals I had a conversation with the service manager at the Harley Davidson Dealer in Oakland and he recounted how a good friend of his came close to losing his bike from a parking lot across the street from where he worked. The only thing that prevented the theft was the staff at the business knew him and took the initiative to call and let him know that someone was messing with his bike. He made a mad dash for the parking lot and the thief took off running as the thief saw him headed his way. In his attempt to make a clean getaway he dropped a bag. Now you’re wondering what was in the bag, perhaps a wallet, ID, something to identify the thief? Sorry to disappoint you but no, the thief has not been caught to my knowledge as yet. What the bag contained was the tools necessary for the thief to steal your or anybody else’s Harley Davidson. The bag contained an engine control module (ECM), a turn signal security module (TSSM) and key fob. It is simply a matter of removing your seat (one screw), unplugging the ECM and TSSM and plugging in the replacement modules. This allows the thief to ride off on any HD motorcycle. As long as those three components match they are good to go. Along with a quick kick to the handlebars to snap the fork lock, they are off and running. A five minute job if their slow. I might also mention this was done to mine in broad daylight with people coming and going into the hotel. No one thought to take note of a man working on his bike.

    In the last month I have discussed security of my motorcycle with a lot of travelers looking at ways to prevent a re-occurrence of losing my bike during future travels I have been advised short of not buying a replacement bike there is no way to completely make our rides 100% theft proof. The only thing we can do is to try to make it difficult enough that the potential thief will move on to an easier target. I will be purchasing a disc brake rotor lock for my 14 FLHTK and will install it on the rear rotor. Putting it on the rear rotor makes it harder for the thief to cut or break it off by limiting the area he has to work. It also goes without saying park it as close to the front of your hotel/motel or the most conspicuous place that you can put it. Remember your never 100% guaranteed that it will be there in the morning.

    Another valuable lesson to be learned is to remove everything from you saddlebags, tour pack and storage compartments when you’re done for the day no matter how much you think it is a pain in the butt to lug everything to your room. Most insurance companies do not cover the contents of your bags. Also make sure you have photos of everything you have added to make your bike unique. My insurance company only covers up to $500 of added accessories unless you declare them. My slip on mufflers alone took care of that. All my other goodies including rain gear were lost and I had not even given a thought to the value as I added them piece by piece. You will be surprise (maybe not) how quickly they add up. There are other items available that might help in the recovery of your bike in the event it is stolen and do not make (nor have I tried any of them) recommendations as to their effectiveness. This is something you can discuss with your trusted sales and service associates.

    Ride SAFE and Secure

    Rodney Patton
    2015 Tri Glide: Painted Inner Fairing, Anarchy Five-Spoke Black Chrome Wheels.

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    Default Re: Harley Security System

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottUSN View Post
    Tri Glide Owners
    I am going to attach a letter written by a friend of mine from our local HOG Chapter, Bayside HOG. Believe it or not, it actually got worse when the insurance company sent him the $$ to pay for his stolen ride. In addition to the problems he ran into, they knocked down the value of the insured bike because it had (what they consider) excessive mileage. His bike had 65,000 on the odometer.
    This guy is a rider, his bike is not garage jewelry. After talking with Rodney last Friday, I am looking into getting my bikes "accessories" covered, trying to learn more about securing the bike and making sure my mileage (80,000 +) does not cripple my rides value.
    R/
    Scott

    Here is his story:

    The purpose of the article is to make you aware off just how unsecure your motorcycle really is from a security prospective. I recently left Virginia for what I thought would be an eleven thousand mile round trip coast to coast ride combining work with the pleasure of riding. The first leg of my ride was a one day ride to New Iberia LA where I spent two days working following an excellent ride. From LA it was off to Port Orchard Washington, another three thousand miles. Once again the work part came into to play and I spent a week and a half in PO, then off to Oakland CA a short 800 mile ride. It was there things turned interesting. One afternoon a couple of days after my arrival I was sitting in my hotel room relaxing after a long work day when I heard a motorcycle start up. I thought to myself Oh another rider in the house, his bike sounds just like mine. Now imagine if you will my surprise when I walk over to the window of my third floor hotel room to take a look just in time to see my 2011 FLHTK pulling out of the parking lot. A quick call to 911 was answered by “Due to a high call volume please hold the line, you call will be answered in the order it was received”. Seven minutes later the call was answered, you have no idea how long seven minutes can be when someone is riding off on your ride. I was told by the dispatcher than an officer would come by and take my report, while failing to mention it would be four hours later.

    Apparently the theft of my motorcycle was not as high on their priority list as it was on mine.
    In an attempt to figure out how my bike was ridden off with the front forks locked and the key fob in my pocket I talked to (quizzed) anyone and everyone who would listen and the response was the same, it’s impossible. I am here to tell you it is possible, I have seen it done. After three weeks of talking to what I considered knowledgeable individuals I had a conversation with the service manager at the Harley Davidson Dealer in Oakland and he recounted how a good friend of his came close to losing his bike from a parking lot across the street from where he worked. The only thing that prevented the theft was the staff at the business knew him and took the initiative to call and let him know that someone was messing with his bike. He made a mad dash for the parking lot and the thief took off running as the thief saw him headed his way. In his attempt to make a clean getaway he dropped a bag. Now you’re wondering what was in the bag, perhaps a wallet, ID, something to identify the thief? Sorry to disappoint you but no, the thief has not been caught to my knowledge as yet. What the bag contained was the tools necessary for the thief to steal your or anybody else’s Harley Davidson. The bag contained an engine control module (ECM), a turn signal security module (TSSM) and key fob. It is simply a matter of removing your seat (one screw), unplugging the ECM and TSSM and plugging in the replacement modules. This allows the thief to ride off on any HD motorcycle. As long as those three components match they are good to go. Along with a quick kick to the handlebars to snap the fork lock, they are off and running. A five minute job if their slow. I might also mention this was done to mine in broad daylight with people coming and going into the hotel. No one thought to take note of a man working on his bike.

    In the last month I have discussed security of my motorcycle with a lot of travelers looking at ways to prevent a re-occurrence of losing my bike during future travels I have been advised short of not buying a replacement bike there is no way to completely make our rides 100% theft proof. The only thing we can do is to try to make it difficult enough that the potential thief will move on to an easier target. I will be purchasing a disc brake rotor lock for my 14 FLHTK and will install it on the rear rotor. Putting it on the rear rotor makes it harder for the thief to cut or break it off by limiting the area he has to work. It also goes without saying park it as close to the front of your hotel/motel or the most conspicuous place that you can put it. Remember your never 100% guaranteed that it will be there in the morning.

    Another valuable lesson to be learned is to remove everything from you saddlebags, tour pack and storage compartments when you’re done for the day no matter how much you think it is a pain in the butt to lug everything to your room. Most insurance companies do not cover the contents of your bags. Also make sure you have photos of everything you have added to make your bike unique. My insurance company only covers up to $500 of added accessories unless you declare them. My slip on mufflers alone took care of that. All my other goodies including rain gear were lost and I had not even given a thought to the value as I added them piece by piece. You will be surprise (maybe not) how quickly they add up. There are other items available that might help in the recovery of your bike in the event it is stolen and do not make (nor have I tried any of them) recommendations as to their effectiveness. This is something you can discuss with your trusted sales and service associates.

    Ride SAFE and Secure

    Rodney Patton
    And to think the people I travel with think I'm nuts for putting a log chain through the wheel and frame when we park for the night.
    2013 Anniversary Trike with upcoming upgrades#1344 of 1450. 1994 FLHTC, painted with '57 tropical turquoise. Bored, Cammed, SU carb. "Old Whore" 600 watt Sony stereo.

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    Default Re: Harley Security System

    As I've always said, if someone wants something bad enough they'll get it. It's a shame we live in a world where there is a criminal element that is always lurking looking for the chance to take from others.
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    msocko3, There you go, talking about politicians right off the bat.

    Overnight, I use to put a disk lock on all 3 rotors and I have a throttle/brake clamp that I also use. Just the front 2 during the day.
    I do have the optional siren that's a real PITA when it goes off.

    Now that I have a TG, I think I'm less likely to have it stolen when there are a lot more desirable bikes around. Maybe in a few more years when trikes are more popular there will be a problem.

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    thats why I dont use the stock seat hardware and I use the big U type wheel lock..

    I seen how they try to steal my buddys bike years ago..That was before they got fancy secuirty systems..
    Last edited by trikermutha; 12-30-2013 at 11:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GARYD View Post
    msocko3, There you go, talking about politicians right off the bat.
    What can I say, it just slipped out.
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    Well anything one can do to deter a thief is a plus and hopefully is enough to make the thief move on to an easier target. But the bottom line is that if an experienced thief decides he wants your bike he will get it no matter what you do and it won't take him long to do it. I know the thought of that sucks but it's a fact.
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    Thank you for the heads up! Those are simple, easy things to change out and I never gave them a thought.

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    The seat removal issue might have been deterred with a simple allen head "security" screw. Requires a special
    mating tool to remove the screw. This original posting was significant for all of us. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hocnsoc View Post
    The seat removal issue might have been deterred with a simple allen head "security" screw. Requires a special
    mating tool to remove the screw. This original posting was significant for all of us. Thank you.
    Just a nice hard jerk on the seat will bend the front hook up & out of the way. then just lift the seat up & go to work.
    If you can put a battery disconnect behind a side cover where it can't be found easily, but accessed easily when you leave the bike.
    Also a large alloy chain through the wheel with a very large lock so neither is easy to cut. Then there is the bump key for that master lock......!
    Harley's fork lock always has been just for show & tell. But the only way that will ever change would be a lawsuit proving the company didn't provide adequate theft deterrent & made your loss from their security system responsible .
    A few years back I was working around the Oakland/Frisco area when they caught a tow truck making off with motorcycles just like they were being repoed. He even had a boom on the truck to just pick up the bike. Gone in just a few minutes !!
    Bottom line, if they want your bike bad enough, it's gone ! Just make sure your insurance covers everything & no way out.
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    You guys are scaring me. What with the way I travel. I usually try and park with line of sight from my hotel window. That swapping out the electronics is amazing. Never thought of that. I usually feel I am safer in winter since most crooks wouldn't come equipped to ride in below freezing temps. That said, does anybody know of any bikes/trikes stolen from hotels in freezing weather? I'd be curious if my theory pans out.

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    I put an alarm on the Heritage I had that would go off if someone touched the bike or moved it. It also cut the ECM power in the wiring harness. Change out all the ECM'S ya want,, still don't work. Plus it notified me up to a 1/2mile away on my key fob. Also had a 100db siren at the bike. Guarantee you could hear it a block away.
    Insurance company didn't like it because it didn't self arm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloufoot View Post
    Just a nice hard jerk on the seat will bend the front hook up & out of the way. then just lift the seat up & go to work.
    If you can put a battery disconnect behind a side cover where it can't be found easily, but accessed easily when you leave the bike.
    Also a large alloy chain through the wheel with a very large lock so neither is easy to cut. Then there is the bump key for that master lock......!
    Harley's fork lock always has been just for show & tell. But the only way that will ever change would be a lawsuit proving the company didn't provide adequate theft deterrent & made your loss from their security system responsible .
    A few years back I was working around the Oakland/Frisco area when they caught a tow truck making off with motorcycles just like they were being repoed. He even had a boom on the truck to just pick up the bike. Gone in just a few minutes !!
    Bottom line, if they want your bike bad enough, it's gone ! Just make sure your insurance covers everything & no way out.
    I remember being down at Daytona Bike Week a few years ago where non-legitimate tow trucks were going around and grabbing bikes that were parked in restricted areas. Of course the ID on the trucks were false and there wasn't a tow yard to retrieve the violating bikes. I was always a fairly trusting sole until a rider I was with and a couple others were standing 15 from our bikes on main street in front of Dirty Harry's. We watched someone walk up between our bikes and fiddle around with my friend's helmet. I walked over and said "what a cool bike, how long have you had it?". He said he had it a few years and was taking the helmet with him so it wouldn't get stolen. Needless to say, the my friend dropped him on the spot and the thief ran off before a LEO got there.
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    I find it revealing that the police took 7 minutes to even answer 911 and then 4 hrs to take the report. When my home was robbed years ago I found that the local law enforcement officials were wonderful at taking the report but never even tried to find the purp. When I dared to call after 2 weeks I was told " don't call us, we'll call you". It has been 24 yrs and I'm still waiting. Unless the crime is some high profile murder or someone important is involved, don't count of law enforcement.

    When my motorcycle was stolen back in the 1970's from a place I worked part time, a student at a local school started bragging about the robbery and when I reported that to the Union Township police they didn't even interview the student. When I inquired why I was told that his Mother " didn't want them to".

    Sounds bizarre, but very true.

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    There are locator transmitters that you can get & put on your bike also. I haven't had anything to do with them, but it might help find where it is setting.
    Thieves are quite brazen . And the more so the more success they seem to have. How about a bait bike with an eastern diamondback or a cottonmouth under the seat.......?
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    Quote Originally Posted by msocko3 View Post
    As I've always said, if someone wants something bad enough they'll get it.......
    Most people stealing cars, bikes, whatever, will go for the easiest mark. Rotor locks, chains and such add just another lever of security causes the scum to move on to an easier vehicle.

    Some mention was made of a kill switch located under one of the side cover. The best cut off switch is located under the left side cover, the main fuse. I've been known to pull that fuse when parked over night BUT that doesn't keep some "AH" from hooking it.

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