RAKE

[DeathBySnuSnu]

Went and looked at chromedome.
Yes he has a good looking triangle to his frame. He did not have to make his strength with quantity. Looks like a good tie in to his neck and is gusseted. More rake than I like but still long low and cool looking. Biggest thing I like about his shape is that it don't leave a huge hole where you want to think the engine is supposed to be. Looks a lot like a Phoenix build.

[vwbuild]

Went and looked at chromedome.
Yes he has a good looking triangle to his frame. He did not have to make his strength with quantity. Looks like a good tie in to his neck and is gusseted. More rake than I like but still long low and cool looking. Biggest thing I like about his shape is that it don't leave a huge hole where you want to think the engine is supposed to be. Looks a lot like a Phoenix build.

I've been trying to get him to respond but he must be out riding his trike--ha.

[vwbuild]

I've been trying to get him to respond but he must be out riding his trike--ha.

thanks for help here. broke shoulder so everything on hold.

[vw driver]

thanks for help here. broke shoulder so everything on hold.

Ouch!

[Papa Zook]

thanks for help here. broke shoulder so everything on hold.

What happened?

[vwbuild]

What happened?

fell out of tool trailer against barn door. a whopp'n 3 foot maybe. now can only type with one finger--sucks

[Loner]

Experience has shown me on more than one occassion that you can predict which arm, shoulder, wrist, etc. is at higher risk by looking at which hand you write with.

[vw driver]

fell out of tool trailer against barn door. a whopp'n 3 foot maybe. now can only type with one finger--sucks

People type with more than one finger? Amazing!

[vwtrike]

I know I would love information on how to build a girder or springer for that matter. I have been studying rake and trail for months and it seem to me that it is one thing to study and read but completely different to actual build? I have read a lot about rake and trail but it becomes a blur. I wonder what or if I am missing something because it still doesn't make sense. I'm generally not dense and have autobody and fabricating skills but grabbing this concept is eluding me. If you have a 55 degree rake and can get the trail around 2 inches or regardless is it that simple? Thanks

[vwtrike]

Deathbysnusnu asked if we would like info on girder building...

[DeathBySnuSnu]

I posted the links to that a few pages back.

I can hunt up the links again.

I have not written a book about it all myself.

http://chopperhandbook.com/

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http://www.choppercompendium.com/ccf...forum.php?f=34

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And what my stainless steel front end is looking like.

[FuzzyWuzHe]

I posted the links to that a few pages back.

I can hunt up the links again.

I have not written a book about it all myself.

http://chopperhandbook.com/

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http://www.choppercompendium.com/ccf...forum.php?f=34

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And what my stainless steel front end is looking like.

Sweet ... there's something about a springer that brings a tear to my eye. Had a 16 over springer on a 65 sporty with a Paco hardtail frame was I was young, used to bring tears to my eyes and if I did over 250 miles a day, blood to my urine ...

[DeathBySnuSnu]

Well I do have rear suspension.*
I don't really know if mine would be called a springers. It does have a hydraulic shock for dampening instead of rebound springs.

[vwtrike]

Very good looking girder. Question: I have done a lot of research and the lower rocker on a girder or springer seem to have no standard position. Some seem to be set high, more pointing towards the top of the tire or at least has an upward slant. It seems that very few pics I have seen have the rocker(? is that the right title) parallel with the ground. It would seem that parallel with the ground would give it the most functionality and proper handling? The rake of your pic of your forks in the vice shows the rocker parallel or close to it...

[irmagoo]

Very good looking girder. Question: I have done a lot of research and the lower rocker on a girder or springer seem to have no standard position. Some seem to be set high, more pointing towards the top of the tire or at least has an upward slant. It seems that very few pics I have seen have the rocker(? is that the right title) parallel with the ground. It would seem that parallel with the ground would give it the most functionality and proper handling? The rake of your pic of your forks in the vice shows the rocker parallel or close to it...

I set my leading link up with link parallel to ground but pivet pin center location is lower than axle center location.
magoo

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Sweet ... there's something about a springer that brings a tear to my eye. Had a 16 over springer on a 65 sporty with a Paco hardtail frame was I was young, used to bring tears to my eyes and if I did over 250 miles a day, blood to my urine ...

I hear ya!!
I rode ridged frame 1/2 " pad under my butt and 10 over springer !!!
oh ya to be young again would be great!!!

but so is modern technology
maybe soft-tail and shock on a springer wouldn't be so bad- wife would have loved it for sure!!!
magoo

[DeathBySnuSnu]

Very good looking girder. Question: I have done a lot of research and the lower rocker on a girder or springer seem to have no standard position. Some seem to be set high, more pointing towards the top of the tire or at least has an upward slant. It seems that very few pics I have seen have the rocker(? is that the right title) parallel with the ground. It would seem that parallel with the ground would give it the most functionality and proper handling? The rake of your pic of your forks in the vice shows the rocker parallel or close to it...

First, it is not a girder.*
It is a leading link I suppose, because of the hyd shock.
Just made to look like a springer.
It is a drop axle rocker. It is not in the loaded or finished position at all. This is just a mock up. Once the scooter is together I will trim the length of the rods to position the rockers where I want them.

No there is no set length or shape to rockers or leading links.

The part that is set is where the axle is in relation to the neck.

A girder has the spring and links up top at the trees. No rockers at the bottom at all. You set the geometry at the links up top. The legs of a girder can be any shape you want as long as the relationship of axle to neck is correct.

Go to the links I posted. Read up. It is all there.

[DeathBySnuSnu]

[vwtrike]

Thanks for the pic and the links, very helpfull