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    Default How to get a great sounding stereo for under $400.00

    I got to thinking about how many people would like to have a better sounding stereo on their HD, but don't want to spend a big wad of cash to do it. If you know what to buy and where to put it on your HD, this can be done.

    Some of the bigger manufactures of stereo components have started making equipment for motorcycles and ATV's and this has brought the price down and selection up.

    We are going to focus on a 2013 and earlier 2 speaker faring mounted system that will fit in the factory speaker locations with no modifications and no factory wire cutting or splicing.

    Most of the quality sound you are going to be able to hear at Hwy speed on a Motorcycle is going to come from the faring. Those speakers are behind the windshield and pointed right at your ears. With faring lower speaker pods, tour pack speaker pods and bag lid speakers most of the sound gets washed away by the wind at speed. They sound good in the parking lot, not at speed.

    I am going to start with some of the basic things I have learned about motorcycle stereo. Following these guidelines will help with the selection of the right components and not spend money for stuff that you cannot hear at HWY speed or that will not “live” very long in a motorcycle environment.

    Speakers:

    1.

    Choosing your speakers is your most important selection.

    Cheap speakers will not hold up on a motorcycle.

    A motorcycle speaker needs to be able to perform at high wattage (75 to 100 watts per speaker) for long periods of time. Inclement weather also plays a part in the speaker selection, they need to be able to handle some moisture and not fall apart.

    2. Size does matter in speakers. 2013 and earlier HD faring’s (non CVO’s) have 5.25” speakers in the faring’s. We are going to install a simple 5.25” to 6.5” adapter so that we can use 6.5” speakers. The 6.5’s will play much louder and handle the high wattage that you will be running at for long periods of time. There is also a bigger selection available in the 6.5”

    3.

    Your speakers need to be rated for a minimum of 90 Watts RMS. Don’t worry about “Peak” wattage ratings as they really don’t mean anything. The “RMS” wattage rating means that the speaker will live its expected lifetime running constantly at the stated RMS wattage without failing.

    4.

    Your Speakers need to have an efficiency rating of at least 90 dB. 92 to 95 dB is preferable.

    The efficiency rating defines the speaker’s ability to turn power (the electrical signal from your Head unit or amp) into sound. The higher the efficiency rating the less power needed to achieve the same amount of volume.

    5. You will need to match the speaker’s ohm rating to the ohm rating that your amplifier is rated at. That will either be 4 ohm or 2 ohm.

    6. You will want a coaxial style of speaker that has the tweeter and crossover already mounted on the speaker frame.

    Component Speakers are available and offer some sound quality advantages but generally they will cost more and can offer some real challenges in mounting the different components.

    Amplifiers:

    1. Use only Class D amplifiers in your motorcycles faring. They have a smaller footprint, generate much less heat and draw a lot less power from your bikes charging system.

    2. You need a minimum of 100 Watts RMS per channel to have good clear stereo at 70-80 MPH Hwy speeds and not have your system maxed out all the time. (Each channel will power one speaker)

    3.

    Get a 4 ohm amp that is 2 ohm stable. 4 ohm amps that are 2 ohm stable seem to be better built and live longer.

    4. The amp needs to have no more than 0.5 distortion (THD) at Max RMS watts.

    5.

    You can use either a 2 channel amp or a 4 channel amp if the 4 channel amp is bridgeable. A bridgeable amp means that you can combine the 4 channels into 2 channels without the amp becoming unstable.

    6.

    The amp need to have Hi-Level signal inputs because the Harmon Kardon Radios used on HD’s do not have Pre-amp out’s.

    You will use the factory speaker wires to send the signal to your amp.

    There are a couple of amp choices that can be had for under $150.00 Shopping around on EBay or the internet will usually save you some money and some sellers offer extended warranty’s for free

    Cerwin Vega’s B52 Stealth Bomber Series 2-Channel Class D Car Amplifier is a great choice and has a small footprint

    Soundstream’s PN4.320D Picasso Nano Class D 4ch Amplifier is bridgeable to two channels and has a small footprint also

    For Speakers there are several choices that I recommend

    Infinity Kappas 62.11i 6.5" Speakers sell for about $150.00

    Polk MM651 6.5” marine speakers sell for about $150.00

    My personal favorite is the Hybrid Audio Technologies (HAT) Imagine Series 6.5” speakers.

    If you know where to buy them, these HAT speakers can be had for about $200.00. IMO…$$$ for $$$ these are the best sounding marine rated coaxial speakers on the market

    Amp and speaker wiring you can build from your local hardware store. The wiring and the 5.25” to 6.5” speaker adapters you get from eBay will cost you about $50 or less

    Any of these combinations will work well together and will get you a very good sounding stereo for less than $400.00
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    Nice write up for those looking for amp and speakers. Thank you for posting.
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    Thanks for posting this. Now all I need to find is this type of guidance for the '14 and later
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    I can help you with that but it's a little more complicated and a little more expensive then the earlier models
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    At this point, I am more concerned with better speakers than I am with adding an amp, but keeping an eye open to making sure things will work together.

    B'sides, I have to keep the finance manager happy
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    Great write up! Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MB1953 View Post
    At this point, I am more concerned with better speakers than I am with adding an amp, but keeping an eye open to making sure things will work together.

    B'sides, I have to keep the finance manager happy
    Harley uses 2 ohm speakers that are very efficient (95-96 dB).Their sound quality leaves a lot to be desired though. That makes it hard to replace just the speakers and get a noticeable difference. You can get better sound With an aftermarket speaker. But you may lose some volume unless you get some very efficient 2 ohms speakers and those can be pretty pricey In the aftermarket world

    Harley made it a lot more of a challenge to upgrade the 14 and up bikes.

    But the aftermarket industry has caught up with them now. You need to utilize one of the pre-made plug-and-play kits made by people like arc audio and bike Tronics

    IMO, Don't try to put together a system by yourself for a 14 and newer
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    Quote Originally Posted by MB1953 View Post
    At this point, I am more concerned with better speakers than I am with adding an amp, but keeping an eye open to making sure things will work together.

    B'sides, I have to keep the finance manager happy
    You may get a little better sound quality out of a set of Kappas in the fairing. I believe they are two ohm. Unfortunately, you never know until you try them. It seems 14 and up results are mixed with any and all component combos. Some have good luck with a particular setup whereas it fails for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHBAGGER View Post
    You may get a little better sound quality out of a set of Kappas in the fairing. I believe they are two ohm. Unfortunately, you never know until you try them. It seems 14 and up results are mixed with any and all component combos. Some have good luck with a particular setup whereas it fails for others.
    We just put in a used set of the 2 ohm Kappas that I took in on trade, in the faring of a friend with a 2015 SG. It was a definite upgrade in sound quality, not a lot of difference in volume, but sounds a lot better than stock. We did not do any flashes or updates, just change out the speakers.

    Good call NHBAGGER
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    Nice write up, thanks
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    Default A differing opinion.

    Why spend lots-O-$$$$ and space on stereo equipment, when there are cheaper, and I might add, more considerate options that achieve the same result..These connect via Bluetooth to your music device, can be shared with your passenger or you can listen to different sources. These sytems are more considerate to those who might not share your taste in music and do not have to be cranked up to unbearable levels to be heard.

    1. In-Helmet speaker systems, http://www.sena.com/

    2. In-ear Bluetooth earbuds..

    http://www.sony.com/electronics/head...cid=sem-na-274

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    Quote Originally Posted by mythplaced View Post
    Why spend lots-O-$$$$ and space on stereo equipment, when there are cheaper, and I might add, more considerate options that achieve the same result..These connect via Bluetooth to your music device, can be shared with your passenger or you can listen to different sources. These sytems are more considerate to those who might not share your taste in music and do not have to be cranked up to unbearable levels to be heard.

    1. In-Helmet speaker systems, http://www.sena.com/

    2. In-ear Bluetooth earbuds..

    http://www.sony.com/electronics/head...cid=sem-na-274

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    Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. But if I was making a guess, you ride a Honda, (nothing wrong with a Honda, great bikes) because I have never got a evil eye look from my loud stereo from a Harley Davidson rider. Lots of thumbs-up and a whole lot of smiles. I do turn it down when in town and at stop lights. But when I am running down the HWY my George Thorogood, Buddy Guy and Stevie Ray will startle livestock 150 yards from the HWY. Sorry if my Juvenile antics offend you brother, but it ain't going to change...just like my mufflers..."I LIKE IT LOUD"
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    Question Ok, I'll bite. Where do you get the HAT Marine speakers for under $200 ?

    Would you have a source for purchasing these speakers ? ANd part numbers for the marine grade ? Will they require an updated AMP or will stock push these ? I am not interested in ear splitting levels of sound, just clarity.

    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sloride View Post
    I got to thinking about how many people would like to have a better sounding stereo on their HD, but don't want to spend a big wad of cash to do it. If you know what to buy and where to put it on your HD, this can be done.

    Some of the bigger manufactures of stereo components have started making equipment for motorcycles and ATV's and this has brought the price down and selection up.

    We are going to focus on a 2013 and earlier 2 speaker faring mounted system that will fit in the factory speaker locations with no modifications and no factory wire cutting or splicing.

    Most of the quality sound you are going to be able to hear at Hwy speed on a Motorcycle is going to come from the faring. Those speakers are behind the windshield and pointed right at your ears. With faring lower speaker pods, tour pack speaker pods and bag lid speakers most of the sound gets washed away by the wind at speed. They sound good in the parking lot, not at speed.

    I am going to start with some of the basic things I have learned about motorcycle stereo. Following these guidelines will help with the selection of the right components and not spend money for stuff that you cannot hear at HWY speed or that will not “live” very long in a motorcycle environment.

    Speakers:

    1. Choosing your speakers is your most important selection.

    Cheap speakers will not hold up on a motorcycle.

    A motorcycle speaker needs to be able to perform at high wattage (75 to 100 watts per speaker) for long periods of time. Inclement weather also plays a part in the speaker selection, they need to be able to handle some moisture and not fall apart.

    2. Size does matter in speakers. 2013 and earlier HD faring’s (non CVO’s) have 5.25” speakers in the faring’s. We are going to install a simple 5.25” to 6.5” adapter so that we can use 6.5” speakers. The 6.5’s will play much louder and handle the high wattage that you will be running at for long periods of time. There is also a bigger selection available in the 6.5”

    3. Your speakers need to be rated for a minimum of 90 Watts RMS. Don’t worry about “Peak” wattage ratings as they really don’t mean anything. The “RMS” wattage rating means that the speaker will live its expected lifetime running constantly at the stated RMS wattage without failing.

    4. Your Speakers need to have an efficiency rating of at least 90 dB. 92 to 95 dB is preferable.

    The efficiency rating defines the speaker’s ability to turn power (the electrical signal from your Head unit or amp) into sound. The higher the efficiency rating the less power needed to achieve the same amount of volume.

    5. You will need to match the speaker’s ohm rating to the ohm rating that your amplifier is rated at. That will either be 4 ohm or 2 ohm.

    6. You will want a coaxial style of speaker that has the tweeter and crossover already mounted on the speaker frame.

    Component Speakers are available and offer some sound quality advantages but generally they will cost more and can offer some real challenges in mounting the different components.

    Amplifiers:

    1. Use only Class D amplifiers in your motorcycles faring. They have a smaller footprint, generate much less heat and draw a lot less power from your bikes charging system.

    2. You need a minimum of 100 Watts RMS per channel to have good clear stereo at 70-80 MPH Hwy speeds and not have your system maxed out all the time. (Each channel will power one speaker)

    3. Get a 4 ohm amp that is 2 ohm stable. 4 ohm amps that are 2 ohm stable seem to be better built and live longer.

    4. The amp needs to have no more than 0.5 distortion (THD) at Max RMS watts.

    5. You can use either a 2 channel amp or a 4 channel amp if the 4 channel amp is bridgeable. A bridgeable amp means that you can combine the 4 channels into 2 channels without the amp becoming unstable.

    6. The amp need to have Hi-Level signal inputs because the Harmon Kardon Radios used on HD’s do not have Pre-amp out’s.

    You will use the factory speaker wires to send the signal to your amp.

    There are a couple of amp choices that can be had for under $150.00 Shopping around on EBay or the internet will usually save you some money and some sellers offer extended warranty’s for free

    Cerwin Vega’s B52 Stealth Bomber Series 2-Channel Class D Car Amplifier is a great choice and has a small footprint

    Soundstream’s PN4.320D Picasso Nano Class D 4ch Amplifier is bridgeable to two channels and has a small footprint also

    For Speakers there are several choices that I recommend

    Infinity Kappas 62.11i 6.5" Speakers sell for about $150.00

    Polk MM651 6.5” marine speakers sell for about $150.00

    My personal favorite is the Hybrid Audio Technologies (HAT) Imagine Series 6.5” speakers.

    If you know where to buy them, these HAT speakers can be had for about $200.00. IMO…$$$ for $$$ these are the best sounding marine rated coaxial speakers on the market

    Amp and speaker wiring you can build from your local hardware store. The wiring and the 5.25” to 6.5” speaker adapters you get from eBay will cost you about $50 or less

    Any of these combinations will work well together and will get you a very good sounding stereo for less than $400.00

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