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    After days of bitter hurt, anger, deep savage argument, and plenty of non-thinking social media trolls blurting whatever comes to mind through their thumbs, it’s time we as Americans begin a genuine discussion about how to stop the next school shooting from occurring.

    It’s important that we do this even though gun deaths are by no means the most dangerous form of death in America today.

    In 2017, with 300,000,000-plus guns in the hands of Americans, there were 15,549 gun deaths. This ranks less than half the number of automobile deaths even though there are fewer cars in existence than guns. In 2017, there were 253,000,000 cars in existence and 41,000 auto deaths.

    Nonetheless, the rhetoric is so loud and the anger so tightly wound that a way forward needs to begin. Genuinely good people on both sides of this issue disagree. Pro-gun people believe that owning a gun is one step of many in helping to keep their families safe and their government from becoming too tyrannical. Anti-gun people believe that the mere existence of a gun is a danger to all. But note that both sets of people desire safety in general.

    With very little expertise, but with a robust research ability, my staff and I began looking at this issue this week from the perspective of what could be done that would be tangible, but also acceptable to both sides of the discussion. Here’s seven simple steps that can and should be implemented overnight across the country and in similar fashion school shootings would be eliminated. This list is not exhaustive but is a starting point where good-willed people can come together to make a significant difference now.

    1. Metal Detectors In Every School: This maintains such common sense it's impossible to believe that it doesn’t already happen. This is a bigger failure in the era of post-Columbine than the popularity of the AR-15. How do the largest schools in our nation (Stoneman Douglas is one of the largest at over 3,000 students) not have access points controlled through a metal detector daily? Our courts, government buildings, airports, sports stadiums, conventions, and plenty of other public gatherings demand them.

    2. Enforce Everything: Oddly those calling for more laws to be added to the already overly tufted books of law regarding firearms may not realize just how many laws already exist. Simple enforcement of existing laws would cut down on uncounted numbers of people owning guns, possessing guns, and utilizing guns. This is particularly true in the area of those with mental health issues. Begin doing what laws already state must be done, and do so like our children’s lives depend on it.

    3. Perform Active Shooter Drills: In many school districts in the nation earthquake drills are performed. No children have died in earthquakes at an American school in years but the drills go forward. “Sequester and Hide” (and then get your cell phone out and begin "facebook-LIVE-ing”) should be replaced with “Barricade, Attack, & Survive.” Young people should be aware of how quickly they can move a teacher’s desk and their own to protect against a shooter. These should be practiced and drilled at minimum in comparison to earthquake drills.

    4. Reinforce Doors, Windows, Buses, Locks: Though these things left to themselves were installed and still did not stop the shooter at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut, they are able to stop some of the carnage. At the Stoneman Douglas high school, the shooter attempted to shoot through the reinforced glass of the classrooms in an attempt to shoot victims outside the building, but was unable to because of the technology of the glass. That piece of hardened, thickened glass saved lives.

    5. Recruit Retired Military & Law Enforcement: The number of qualified public safety professionals that live in our communities is surprising. These friends and neighbors have already received certification and weapons training. Most of them (unless they become criminals) are already allowed to own, possess, and carry firearms. Having them operate the access points at all schools, check every backpack and bag carried onto the premises, and engage every threat be it a firearm, a pocketknife or any other form of contraband — would not only ensure a safer school campus, but also a more rule following, law abiding one. Drugs, porn, and other forms of disruptive materials would be filtered out of the school campus environment on the threat of being discovered every day by the school security professional.

    6. Arm All Appropriate Personnel: Giving teachers, coaches, and administrators (only the ones who wish to) the right to protect themselves on campus is a backstop to all other methods. But it is a genuine deterrent nonetheless. If only 5-10% of staff were also armed, certified, and properly trained, there would be no threat that first got through the detectors, security professionals, and the hallways that would still be allowed complete and utter access to the student body. Instead of a coach taking bullets, giving up his life to protect his students, numbers of teachers and coaches would be ready to confront any threat that made it to their area of the campus.

    7. Publicize Consequence: The mere knowledge of this list of obstacles to any attacker may not completely dissuade them. But since it was readily apparent that this list of steps would have actually saved some if not all of the lives in Florida this week, one thing can be easily understood. Any individual who decides to try something under these guidelines runs a much larger threat of being caught, captured, and killed if he tries it. So talk about it openly. Do the drills, teach the kids to fight for their own survival, tell the predators in advance that if they choose to attack a school it is open war on them, and before they ever have the chance to enter the facility the daunting challenge they will face will likely be a price too steep for them to be willing to pay.

    Israel has already put some of these steps into practice and the nation has seen almost zero school attacks since adopting them.

    None of these steps infringe upon law-abiding people’s Second Amendment rights.

    All of these steps attempt to stop and engage mentally ill or deliberately belligerent attackers.

    This list would make an immediate impact on every school that adopts them.

    No common sense American can deny their effectiveness.

    Our kids are worth it!

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    just enforcing existing laws.employing vets for secerity guards,holding fbi accountable for not doing nothing.

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    The judges need to step up and enforce the laws when handing out sentences

    No more mercy for these offenders
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    If I want to purchase and operate a motor vehicle (a deadly weapon in the wrong hands) I must:



    • Pass a competency check and get a license,


    • Register my vehicle with the state, and


    • Possess liability insurance to ensure my fiscal responsibility should that vehicle hurt or kill someone.






    Sound rational for guns too. Y'think?

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    Don’t know about your state but they can’t, or won’t enforce these same auto laws in Texas although they are on the books. If a person gets caught it is a slap on the wrist.

    I certainly would NOT agree with having to purchase insurance of any type to legally own a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paws View Post
    Don’t know about your state but they can’t, or won’t enforce these same auto laws in Texas although they are on the books. If a person gets caught it is a slap on the wrist.

    I certainly would NOT agree with having to purchase insurance of any type to legally own a gun.
    I strongly agree

    This would be an over reach of what the constitution says by anyone with common sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Klarich View Post
    I strongly agree

    This would be an over reach of what the constitution says by anyone with common sense
    So automobile licensing, registration, and insurance laws are "overreach"? Glad I'm not riding near you.

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    Isn't it weird that in AMERICA, our flag and our culture offend so many people...but our benefits don't???

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    Quote Originally Posted by peteg59 View Post
    Definitely a different world we lived in back then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mythplaced View Post
    So automobile licensing, registration, and insurance laws are "overreach"? Glad I'm not riding near you.
    No, the over reach is having to have insurance to purchase a weapon

    The over reach is in the last sentence

    Originally Posted by paws

    Don’t know about your state but they can’t, or won’t enforce these same auto laws in Texas although they are on the books. If a person gets caught it is a slap on the wrist.

    I certainly would NOT agree with having to purchase insurance of any type to legally own a gun.
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    If this guy was unable to get a gun, he would of:

    1) pulled the fire alarm to get people outside, which he did

    2) Run them over with a truck

    No gun needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyWuzHe View Post
    If this guy was unable to get a gun, he would of:

    1) pulled the fire alarm to get people outside, which he did

    2) Run them over with a truck

    No gun needed
    This sad but you are so right

    These clowns will find a way to murder the innocent
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Klarich View Post
    These clowns will find a way to murder the innocent
    ^....True Fact, Jack.

    And therein lies our nation's problem: How does one, or many, stop a madman from going on a rampage?

    Impossible at best to completely stop and prevent. no matter who, when, or where they choose to strike.

    It seems to be the new "normal" in this day & age, unfortunately. Just look at the "copycats" who come out and act, or get caught in the planning stages of another similar attack right after such an event.

    It'll be interesting to watch how the country addresses this phenomenon in the day, weeks, and months to follow....
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    Metal detectors are a no brainer, it's a one time charge for the detector and installation and after that it doesn't cost much except for the power, pennies on the dollar...I worked on a project for the Coast Guard Academy for a mass notification system and it's setup in a way that if it's known that a shooter is on campus, the system defeats any fire alarm and the mass notification takes priority and produces a message to alert everyone. It's designed to keep people in a building if there is a shooter outside and someone activates a fire alarm. The design of this is based on specifications by the military and has been adopted by NFPA but states like Ct are lax in adopting new code changes, we recently adopted the 2012 codes last year so we are still behind 6 years, before that it was 2005 so you can see part of the problem.

    One of my reps I work with is also working with a company that makes a deterrent system that sprays a mist that will subdue anyone within seconds. This is designed to be installed in a building and can be triggered remotely, so there are numerous products out there that can stop this nonsense.

    Having retired military is a good idea but also active duty National Guard and other reservists, make it part of the training and maybe bring back mandatory enlistment, even just to serve the country in a national capacity such as this.

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    If you really want an effective early warning system get the kids involved. They hear and see things adults never will. In Utah we now have an app that is free of charge and every kid is urged to put the app on their smart phone. This allows them to talk to a masters level counselor 24/7 if they are suicidal,or want to hurt others or need to talk to someone. It also allows them to report a dangerous person or situation anonymously if the see or hear of one,or a gun or other dangerous thing. It has been in operation 2 years and has already stopped 86 situations before they became dangerous to others. It has also stopped countless teen suicides and helped many others find the help they need. If you don't live in Utah you can have your state school board,legislators or other officials contact the University Of Utah,the developers of this app. They are trying to get it to the point that they can make this available to any State that wants it.

    This is something that can be done right now to address the people who are most likely to be involved in doing this sort of thing. No it is not a be all end all cure all for the problem,but it is somewhere to start. The app is called SafeUtah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegasus1300 View Post
    If you really want an effective early warning system get the kids involved. They hear and see things adults never will. In Utah we now have an app that is free of charge and every kid is urged to put the app on their smart phone. This allows them to talk to a masters level counselor 24/7 if they are suicidal,or want to hurt others or need to talk to someone. It also allows them to report a dangerous person or situation anonymously if the see or hear of one,or a gun or other dangerous thing. It has been in operation 2 years and has already stopped 86 situations before they became dangerous to others. It has also stopped countless teen suicides and helped many others find the help they need. If you don't live in Utah you can have your state school board,legislators or other officials contact the University Of Utah,the developers of this app. They are trying to get it to the point that they can make this available to any State that wants it.

    This is something that can be done right now to address the people who are most likely to be involved in doing this sort of thing. No it is not a be all end all cure all for the problem,but it is somewhere to start. The app is called SafeUtah
    Right here in Midland Texas, during the month of February, 2 students carrying guns onto campus were apprehended immediately because an observant student called the Crimestoppers Hotline to report they were carrying guns. The first one denied it but after a search of the immediate classroom (of which the cameras showed he had entered the classroom but not exited by the time the call was made) they found he had hidden it “behind a big dictionary”. He was fined for carrying a gun on campus plus tampering with evidence. The 2nd offender readily admitted the gun was in his right front pocket and was fined for carrying a gun on campus. Also, this gun was reported as stolen. Don’t know if they will find whether he is the thief or not. Our school district has its own armed campus security division.

    But, just goes to show that this system works if the kids will just be informed of it and how to respectfully use it. Of course they will have to practice self-responsibility so as not to abuse it just to get someone temporarily harassed. If they did this hopefully the wrath of the powers-that-be would rain down on them for making false accusations and be made an example to the rest of the kids how serious this could be.
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