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    See how close I can get to this design.

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    Need to determine seat length, I just bought a Mustang seat at the L. B swap meet $10. Gas tank next, want at least 3 gal (parts bike has big dent), and must see over handle bars for low seat, horz. black bar will be frame for seat.

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    welcome to trike talk!........looks like an interesting project. Is the concept trike an actual production trike or is it a "one of" that you are going to reproduce? Also what about the frame that is pictured? used to mock up powertrain and body panels? Please explain about frame you are drawing. similar to one you have? definitley looking forward to this build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryA View Post
    welcome to trike talk!........looks like an interesting project. Is the concept trike an actual production trike or is it a "one of" that you are going to reproduce? Also what about the frame that is pictured? used to mock up powertrain and body panels? Please explain about frame you are drawing. similar to one you have? definitley looking forward to this build!
    Hi Larry, I found the drawing on the Internet, I like the way it sits (attitude), I was ready to junk a Chinese Quad frame and the two started looking alike except I do like the idea of killing myself with a cheap welds and wall thickness, but yet I want about a 250cc engine, so I will mate the two in a drawing and make the new frame 1.25x.125 wall. Body panels??? Parts bike is from a 250cc Rebel.Click image for larger version. 

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    the concept trike is a good looking machine.....a worthy project... yes agree, trust your own frame and welding. That machine looks too fast to trust a frame/ welding that is questionable.

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    Started to cut some steel.Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	57307HF Chop saw, this 1.25x.120 wall sq. tubing, the cuts are bad for this 2HP motor, I have to use the HF 12" sander 36 grit to get the length to size and the angles correct. Lower frame rails are to size, now will start the lower a-arm mounting brackets, then go to the middle tie with steering and swing arm braces.

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    The front coil over location can use a little more wow! What do you all think? Next I will be setting up the brackets for the control arms, 3/16 x 1 1/4 with 1/8 gussets top and bottom.Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomyJ View Post
    The front coil over location can use a little more wow! What do you all think? Next I will be setting up the brackets for the control arms, 3/16 x 1 1/4 with 1/8 gussets top and bottom.Click image for larger version. 

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    just curious.... are you planning on some sort of bell crank for the shocks or using the stock location?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stacebg View Post
    just curious.... are you planning on some sort of bell crank for the shocks or using the stock location?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomyJ View Post
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Size:  45.3 KBSorta... Stock is to easy, and pushrods have more adjustment.
    like the way u think.... stock is easy!!! thought it might be the case

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    Quote Originally Posted by stacebg View Post
    like the way u think.... stock is easy!!! thought it might be the case
    Finishing up on the little pieces for the control arm brackets and gussets aligning and measuring the front frame piece for the engine/steering/shock/gas tank mounts.Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	57851Bought some more material for mockup the rear engine mount frame and the front engine/steering/gas tank support mount. The steering is 20 degrees and the frame mount is 17.5 degrees off the bike.Click image for larger version. 

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    Ready to tack up the lower frame.Click image for larger version. 

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    The machine shop should be through with the procession drilling on Thursday, I hope early so I can test then to welder for the lower control arm brackets, then start setting up the upper frame, control arms and steering.Click image for larger version. 

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    Yea! In some of the photos you can see my orange custom built scooter hiding under the work table, and it's electric brother...Click image for larger version. 

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    Just curious, are those tires and wheels rated for street or highway? They look more like go cart wheels ... or am I missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyWuzHe View Post
    Just curious, are those tires and wheels rated for street or highway? They look more like go cart wheels ... or am I missing something.
    Which one? the trike?, I like the look, big tires no so, they are golf cart DOT, remember this is only 250cc, total length will be 7ft, width 4ft overall, I like these builds to fit under my work bench while I'm working on the next one. Have fun and ride safe...

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    More tack welding to make sure of alignment for lower frame. Trying to keep it (5ft) flat for welding. Any ideas?Click image for larger version. 

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    Welding on the lower control arms done, brackets did not warp from heat, on the other hand the swing arm bracket did, both sides pulled in about 1/8, need to open it back to final measurement. Next will be the lower steering mounts, then the upper steering mounts.

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    3 days of trying to pull those tabs out 1/8". Click image for larger version. 

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    large welds on one side, means major warp, either minimize welds or use a strong back to pull or push out warp and or twist....sometimes a little force applied and some heat on the offending weld will take out the warp. At work, Bobcat company.....lots of time spent on robot welding sequence,part preload and other considerations.....still heavy mtl. heavy welds, definite problems to solve. On welding fixtures....many times the fixture frame was welded up then sent out to be "normalized" in a large oven....then finally machined. on one off projects like our trikes, become a study in straightening techniques! good luck...looking good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryA View Post
    large welds on one side, means major warp, either minimize welds or use a strong back to pull or push out warp and or twist....sometimes a little force applied and some heat on the offending weld will take out the warp. At work, Bobcat company.....lots of time spent on robot welding sequence,part preload and other considerations.....still heavy mtl. heavy welds, definite problems to solve. On welding fixtures....many times the fixture frame was welded up then sent out to be "normalized" in a large oven....then finally machined. on one off projects like our trikes, become a study in straightening techniques! good luck...looking good!
    Thank you Larry these one offs can be a bitch, I should have put that straighten bar in right after tacking, live and learn, but then again I am not a welder... I am still fighting with STRAIGHTNESS, need to be looking at a few more shops that can handle it. My next RT will be really on straightness, I am looking for a table 12" wide by 5ft long, the next RT will require a table 24" wide and 7ft long, so I'm looking at both.

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    No welding yet just tacking. Click image for larger version. 

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    Playing with the upper frame and seat? Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	58909The top of the gas tank will be just under the handle bars, I do not think these mirrors will work?

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    More mock-up for looks and clearances?Click image for larger version. 

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    is that your gargoyle sitting there keeping an eye on you??

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    Quote Originally Posted by stacebg View Post
    is that your gargoyle sitting there keeping an eye on you??
    Looks more like Scooby Doo

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyWuzHe View Post
    Looks more like Scooby Doo
    He likes to watch over my builds, This will be one of my future builds, I needed to see it in 3D.

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    I need to start looking at ride height, Maybe 6"?Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	59047Seat, Handle Bars, Gas Tank,

    I found another rear rim at the swap meet, Harley, But it will save me a lot of machining, Jack shaft sprockets and disc brakes.

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    Rear Tire will change to General G-Max RS 245-40-18 which reads 25.7" highx9.8" wide, so instead of 22" high, now will be 25.7" high.Name:  General Tire-245-40-18GmaxRs.jpg
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    Mock-up rear frame & coil-over... Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	59131So glad I did this mock up, Now I get a better feel for the cross piece, And the jack shaft will go in here somewhere? Next will be the dual coil overs on the front steering support to the control arms...Somebody is NOT remembering the location of jack-shaft? seat?
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ID:	59164Shock to the right and jack shaft to the left, MAYBE the seat will clear? Front side view will look something like this? IF I do a fiberglass nose piece, It will be with air inlet in mind. The next M/C swap meet will be July 29, will be thinking hard and heavy about the Harley rear rim??? $300. Tire $250. BUT it will look sooooo cool...

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    HELP! Does anyone have any leads to part numbers for this style bell cranks (2)? Name:  DRZ400-Bell_crank-super7thheaven.co.uk.jpg
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    Bellcrank probably application specific. In other words, do you know what motorcycle it came off of? You will probably have better luck visiting a motorcycle salvage yard for identifying and locating a matching part.

    Chains and sprockets. Your local bearing / industrial supply store will probably be able to help you. Just take your existing motor sprocket in and they can probably spec you some new parts.

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    Bell crank Napa auto, $55.00 Name:  Bell crank-Napa auto NOE 5230026 ..jpg
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    https://www.ebay.com/itm/KAWASAKI-Ge...IAAOSwOtVaxr07

    Need to find specs on dimensions, but there are a lot of these from different models. If you can find one you like on a bike, then search ebay.

    The NAPA part probably has a vehicle application attached to it also. Whatever you choose be sure you record it's pedigree so you know when and if you have to replace/repair it.

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    More playing... Click image for larger version. 

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