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    Default Stearing shake at speeds over 52 mph?

    Hello , I have a kawasaki vn900c 2008 lehman trike from 2008, I have a shake in the handle bars at speeds over 52 mph and increasses at higher speeds . and yes i had the front tire replace and balanced, witch helped a little bit, and the foward pulley replaced witch also helped a little bit? but the shake is still their? Not a wobble... ? The shake is like a jake hammer. if that helps the tire is at 41 psi. Just wondering if anybody else had that problem and the cure?

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    I suggest you adjust the rear tire pressure to 20psi and if that doesn't help, check the rear wheels for balance. Rear wheels that are out of balance shake the whole trike, not just the back end. Wheel imbalance usually manifests itself at speed above 50mph.

    Check the radial runout of the front tire. You could have an out-of-round tire too.
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    I had the same problem, but the symptoms occurred at even lower speeds. Turns out the my brand new front tire was out of round. I was surprised because I'd gotten exceptional service out of the brand in the past, but I guess these things happen on occasion. If you suspect the front tire, remove it have it run on a spin balancer at your bike shop. If there's a problem, it'll show in just a few revolutions.

    And like Jim says, tire pressure is critical. I run 36 psi in the front and 25 in the rears.

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    If this is not new to having the tire replaced check the run out on the front wheel, minus the tire
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    Quote Originally Posted by justlucky View Post
    Hello , I have a kawasaki vn900c 2008 lehman trike from 2008, I have a shake in the handle bars at speeds over 52 mph and increasses at higher speeds . and yes i had the front tire replace and balanced, witch helped a little bit, and the foward pulley replaced witch also helped a little bit? but the shake is still their? Not a wobble... ? The shake is like a jake hammer. if that helps the tire is at 41 psi. Just wondering if anybody else had that problem and the cure?
    One question and a suggestion:

    Was the tire recently replaced? And my suggestion is or was the tire mounted correctly, as I have noticed a number of shop technicians putting front tires on back wards. Reason I say this is, is several weeks ago I had a chance to test drive a Razer IRS Motor Trike and during the ride experienced the same issue thing you indicated. Once I got back to the shop, noticed the front tire directional arrows were backwards. The owner has an “Oh S*#t” moment and wondered why his trike shook since installing a new tire and balance. Just a thought:-)

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    anything been changed recently has this been coming on a little at a time or just all of a sudden??

    doubt the pulley had anything to do with it

    generally headset bearings cause a low speed wobble but it is a possibility

    back wards mounted tire shouldnt matter...basic difference in front and back tire is for the way the plies are laid .... back tire is pushin and front is stoppin

    at speed i dont think the tire pressure or front tire balance or out of round would make a "jack hammer" shake

    fist guess would be a rear tire out of round or out of balance.... they can be perfectly balanced but out of round

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    Default 2008 kawasaki 900 vulcon, storm kit rear end nag, 2008

    trying to take off the rear end of the kit to repair? already removed the side bolts, seat, sissy bar, side molding, inner bolts, The only thing is cannot slide the body off? or is their a trick to it? As always thank you for your time in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlucky View Post
    trying to take off the rear end of the kit to repair? already removed the side bolts, seat, sissy bar, side molding, inner bolts, The only thing is cannot slide the body off? or is their a trick to it? As always thank you for your time in advance.
    Did you remove the air bag ?
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    Smile 2008 kawasaki 900 vulcon,

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee H. Mann View Post
    Did you remove the air bag ?
    Yes but when the exchaust was welded together thy made it to long have to disconnect it to swing the body off my problem as always is no one is around when you need them aw well. should do the trick? I well let you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlucky View Post
    Yes but when the exchaust was welded together thy made it to long have to disconnect it to swing the body off my problem as always is no one is around when you need them aw well. should do the trick? I well let you know?
    The body needs to be dropped down below the struts so I guess the exhaust has to go. If you don't mind me asking, why are you taking the rear axle out (for what repair) ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee H. Mann View Post
    The body needs to be dropped down below the struts so I guess the exhaust has to go. If you don't mind me asking, why are you taking the rear axle out (for what repair) ?
    the wheel are not linning up even? the measurement are right , the trike was hit apperantly was told the trike was pushed but that was it? the right tire is ? it is foward about 2 1/4 inches the left is right on , thank you it just accured to me i might be looking at this in reverse? = I will let you know - wish i had a camera to show you? or to post? let see what happens? let you know tommorow

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlucky View Post
    the wheel are not linning up even? the measurement are right , the trike was hit apperantly was told the trike was pushed but that was it? the right tire is ? it is foward about 2 1/4 inches the left is right on , thank you it just accured to me i might be looking at this in reverse? = I will let you know - wish i had a camera to show you? or to post? let see what happens? let you know tommorow
    The rear might be out of alignment bit it sounds more like a body issue.

    Check to see if the rear axle is centered with the front end first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlucky View Post
    Hello , I have a kawasaki vn900c 2008 lehman trike from 2008, I have a shake in the handle bars at speeds over 52 mph and increasses at higher speeds . and yes i had the front tire replace and balanced, witch helped a little bit, and the foward pulley replaced witch also helped a little bit? but the shake is still their? Not a wobble... ? The shake is like a jake hammer. if that helps the tire is at 41 psi. Just wondering if anybody else had that problem and the cure?
    I had the same problem with my 2002 GoldWing Lehman trike. I thought it was coming from the front tire. It was the rear tires getting out of balance. They need to be meticulously balanced. Solved all my problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee H. Mann View Post
    The rear might be out of alignment bit it sounds more like a body issue.

    Of course THANK You,

    Check to see if the rear axle is centered with the front end first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlucky View Post
    the wheel are not linning up even? the measurement are right , the trike was hit apperantly was told the trike was pushed but that was it? the right tire is ? it is foward about 2 1/4 inches the left is right on , thank you it just accured to me i might be looking at this in reverse? = I will let you know - wish i had a camera to show you? or to post? let see what happens? let you know tommorow
    Jack each rear tire off ground, one at a time, and rotate. Not knowing if it was hit, maybe a bent axle or rear wheel. Front wheel could have been damaged if rear hit on one side only.

    While measuring stuff, check rear tires / wheels for toe in / out condition (parallelism?).

    Sounds like all three ain't pointing same direction at times, maybe in three directions?

    Most side car rigs have either bikes rear tire or the side car's tire a bit forward or behind the other, but as long as they are generally parallel, the'le do OK.

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    I chased a head shake like that and found two problems that I fixed at the same time, so I don't know which fixed it. I had a sway bar bushing fail, and while finding that, I also found two loose frame bolts. After replacing the bushing and tightening the bolts (I went over all of them) the problem was gone. I hope your fix is that simple.

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    Default u now that might be it? I will let you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by rodekyll View Post
    I chased a head shake like that and found two problems that I fixed at the same time, so I don't know which fixed it. I had a sway bar bushing fail, and while finding that, I also found two loose frame bolts. After replacing the bushing and tightening the bolts (I went over all of them) the problem was gone. I hope your fix is that simple.
    How did you know it was the bushing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by B25bsaboy View Post
    One question and a suggestion:

    Was the tire recently replaced? And my suggestion is or was the tire mounted correctly, as I have noticed a number of shop technicians putting front tires on back wards. Reason I say this is, is several weeks ago I had a chance to test drive a Razer IRS Motor Trike and during the ride experienced the same issue thing you indicated. Once I got back to the shop, noticed the front tire directional arrows were backwards. The owner has an “Oh S*#t” moment and wondered why his trike shook since installing a new tire and balance. Just a thought:-)
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    Default swing arm on kawasaki vn 900--c storm

    Hellow and thank's in advance

    did thy alter the swing arm in the 2008 kawasaki storm kit ?. ( nag) rear end.

    And if thy did how to git a rebuild kit for the swing arm bushing? if any ??? like i said the trike seems to ride right then it seem to be leaning to the left right giving me the feeling of out of alignment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee H. Mann View Post
    The rear might be out of alignment bit it sounds more like a body issue.

    Check to see if the rear axle is centered with the front end first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justlucky View Post
    How did you know it was the bushing?
    Because when I went to poking at them it came apart. It was an uppermost bushing on one of the end bolts. It had softened as though a chemical had gotten to it. Not unlikely with my rig.

    The result was extra motion on one side that got the tail wagging the dog. The harmonic would get the front end flapping uncontrollably. I could compensate for it some with the adjustable steering damper and tweaking tire pressures and airbag pressure, but stability was a moving target. A cold chassis and cold tires needed a different combination than when hot. Up until that time it was rock steady and tracked so true I could toggle the cruise control at 60 and take both hands off the bars.

    When I get to my winter stop I'll replace all 10 of them.

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