Tomg,
In reading comments on the Vanderhall Owners Forum, Daniel Boyer stated that those that have pre-ordered the Carmel, should expect their respective dealers to contact them near the end of the first quarter with respects to what options are available and their prices. As of yet, it's not been determined as to what options will be provided. Currently production has not moved into their new factory building. I'm guessing another month or two. Shortly after they do, I'm expecting a major change as to how they intend to do their marketing with regard to ordering what options you want installed and the installation will be done by the manufacturer and not the dealer. I'm going to hold off with my order until I've had the opportunity of the demo ride, that they're fully functional in their new factory building and have adopted the changes that I mentioned earlier regarding the marketing of their future models. A 2020 model is what I expect I'll be looking at, unless by chance, I come across a 2019 model that has the options I'm looking for.
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