Anyone ever use the Phoenix v5 or any other device to reverse bleed/flush non abs clutch/brakes
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Phoenix v5 brake bleeder
Anyone ever use the Phoenix v5 or any other device to reverse bleed/flush non abs clutch/brakes
I use one from Harbor freight
You have to be a little more thorough with linked brakes ... not sue if the freewheeler has that, I know the Tri's do.
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You're doing a vacuum? I was looking at videos on pushing fluid "backwards to the master cylinder" Supposed to alleviate air bubbles .
So it would overflow the master? Sounds messy.
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Still should have another person. Siphon master cylinder clean, v5 is calibrated and hand squeezed, as long as you don't get too rambunctious pushing fluid, the person watching will tell you when it's full, then you do the process until fluid is clear. Less chance of pulling air from master cyl. If you let it drain to far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t0e0Leu1-k
Don't know if site will work
I am not a master mechanic, but I did it manually & it's not hard at all. I bought an inline check valve I put in the tubing right at the master cylinder to prevent air from being sucked back in & it works great.
Yes, the Freewheeler has linked brakes & my service manual has the simple procedure & sequence.
Just start in the front left, then front right. Those are the most forward bleed screws on the Freewheeler caliper.
The 2 aft bleed screws on the front calipers are for the rear master cylinder. Then you move to the rear wheels.
I have heard that if you have to do a complete flush, as with brake line replacement, that the systems that push fluid are very nice, but I have visions of brake fluid shooting up like a geyser eruption.
2017 Harley Davidson Freewheeler (107 cu.in. vivid black).
Phoenix v5
What started my interest was the video How to reverse bleed motorcycle" posted by "Fix my hog"
See what you think of it and let me know?
Reverse bleed system
What got me interested in the reverse method was the video by "Fix my hog"
Take a look at it and let me know what you think.
Reverse bleed system
Sorry about the double submission
Reverse bleed system
Manual gives sequence to follow and amount to draw out, I'll do the vacuum way. I'm under warranty for three more years and though 'll get hit labor I'll let dealership do clutch at inspection (yearly in Pa). Manual wants clutch push rod movement measured etc. Brakes I've done lots of, hydraulic clutch s nadda. Man I miss cables
What's this thing cost... I paid like $20 for the vacuum thing years ago ... not like you do this every day ... on a wing you flush them like every two years.
Having said that, I guess in theory it looks like it should work, air bubbles should go up. I've never had a problem using the vacuum oner to get solid brakes, even on my truck. You still kind of need two people with the vacuum thing ... someone to watch the fluid level and fill the reservoir.
I haven't looked into doing the abs brakes on my wing ... just had the brake recall done and they did all the brakes and the clutch at Honda, cost me like $120 for fluid and labor. But half the brakes where covered under the recall.
The reason they are using that is because they replaced the brake lines. In normal maintenance, you are just replacing the fluid & would not have the bubbles.Originally Posted by Tucci
The FMH guys have regular maintenance videos & they bleed/flush the fluid the old fashion way.
They also have a video covering the hydraulic clutch.
What year Freewheeler do you have?
2017 Harley Davidson Freewheeler (107 cu.in. vivid black).
Reverse bleed system
15 fw, so I don't have to be concerned about abs. I just threw the question out there to see if anyone had done/tried the method. I have three automotive supply stores close by that loan out tools, brake bleeder included. I take everything I read on the"net" with a "shaker" of salt. The old adage - believe half of.... One site (not my story!) Said he lost rear brakes while running the big road in high temps, got them back when lines cooled,checked fluid and it was black.also said it took out his abs and even under warranty hd denied, said he didn't service system within two years.
They didn't add the ABS to our FWs till this year. After doing the brake fluid flush job a couple times, to me, it was so simple to do I didn't feel the need to even rent the bleeder.
The in-line check valve really eased my mind, as far as getting air in the system. I can use it on my autos also.
I enjoy the Fix My Hog videos. When I first got my trike, they really helped me get to know the HD maintenance procedures.
2017 Harley Davidson Freewheeler (107 cu.in. vivid black).
I have used this method
I do not like it
Better to gravity bleed or vacuum ( pull ) bleed fluid IMO
I do not want dirty fluid pushing thru seals
Nuff Said," Were Burnin Daylight, Lets Ride"(Sober 37 years)
Current ride : 2021 FREEWHEELER M8, oldest ride 1960 FL
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Did you do the clutch?
Clutch
JK - that's what I thought, when I replaced calipers (cheaper than rebuild) just for something to do i d take old ones apart, lots of gunk on 60,000 mile plus units.
JK - MDO - did you flush clutch on pre 17's
Yes Joe
It is a good thing to do
With the heat from the exhaust running close to the actuator, you can bet it adds to the break down of the fluid
Even before the clutch recall by HD I had already done my 17 twice
My 15 Freewheeler got done twice before I traded up to the 17
Nuff Said," Were Burnin Daylight, Lets Ride"(Sober 37 years)
Current ride : 2021 FREEWHEELER M8, oldest ride 1960 FL
JK
I was comfortable with "old" stuff, everything up to the advent of internal oiling, ecm's, fuel injection. Now hydraulics. Is there and precautions to vacuum bleeding clutch.
Clutch
I've always kept in mind -- just because I've done something one way for 20 years and got adequate results doesn't mean I'm doing it correctly!
(Romans12:3)
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