The insta trike kits end up with the vehicle having four wheels ... so I'm sure there are caveats that come into play.
Hi All,
I have to admit utter and complete CONFUSION over these vehicles that
are straight forward two wheeled/tired typical motorcycles, that then
have two more wheels/tires attached to them resulting in a four wheeled/
tired vehicles being legally registered as motorcycles and not cars.
http://towpacusa.com/wp-content/uplo...lwheels014.jpg
The federal law has, as part of it's definition for a motorcycle, that
the vehicle has a maximum of three wheels/tires, and I am virtually
certain that all the U.S. states have in their statutes, that motorcycles
must meet the definition that the federal government has established.
So, if there are any lawyers on the board that can help me grasp how
this plays out legally, in addition to the quad offering by Hannigan,
I'd love to be educated!!!
http://www.hannigantrikes.com/produc...0-quadracycle/
The insta trike kits end up with the vehicle having four wheels ... so I'm sure there are caveats that come into play.
I am going to go out on a limb, and guess that it is a matter of a failure to enforce the state statutes, (which mirror the the NHTSA definition) by the collection of State Police agencies, as well as the big city police departments, and the smaller county and municipal police departments. When ever public outcry or political interest occurs in a certain activity, that's what the big bosses in the police agencies order their personnel to enforce with the most effort. Don't ask me how I know.
Probably has something to do with the fact that outriggers like Tow Pac, Voyager, etc, are classified as "Accessories" and not a permanent change to the bike... I frequently remove my Tow Pac kit and ride on my "2 wheeled motorcycle" when I chose to ride solo for a while... If the wife or daughters are riding with me, the Tow Pac goes back on... So it is an accessory, and not a permanent change to the bike making into a "4 wheeler"...
Just my opinion and we all know what that's worth !!!
Les
You purchase them with the stipulation that if you can't legally register it in your state its becomes your problem not theirs....Its in the disclaimer.......
Sometimes a Cigar is Just a Cigar.....
2019 Tri-Glide.......
To DADZTOY,
With utmost respect, and in the most civil of tones, (if we were speaking to one another
in person) I would like to point out that the federal definition, as well as my own state's
definition, (your state's definition may be written differently) makes reference only to the
number of wheels/tires that contact the ground. No exception is stated for readily/quickly
removable wheels/tires, nor whether or not they bear weight in addition to their own weight,
nor is any other exception articulated. If I were a prosecutor in traffic court, and an officer
had written a summons to a person operating a Tow-Pac equipped Harley Ultra, Gold Wing,
Triumph Rocket III, etc. citing a violation of the statute that Florida has in place that states
that a motorcycle may have a maximum of three wheels in contact with the ground, I would
be very confident of winning that case. I see it as an improper registration classification, just
as one can't choose to register their typical factory built Ford Mustang as a motorcycle, nor
as a school bus.
Jack, are you a politician???
My mission in life is not merely to survive, but to thrive; and to do so with some passion, some compassion, some humor, and some style. – Maya Angelou
And THAT is exactly the question that I ask. HOW can these Tow-Pac or similar equipped,
otherwise typical, motorcycles, legally be allowed to be classified on their registrations as
motorcycles, even though they operate on four contact points with the ground, as every
common car/automobile does? Here in Florida I've seen Polaris SLINGSHOTs with a mod-
ification to their rear end which replaces the single rear wheel/tire with a PAIR of wheel/
tires installed centrally, their inner sidewalls no more than a few inches apart.
I had one for the longest time on a GL1500 Goldwing when I lived in Florida and was never singled out for a ticket or harassed by the police.
Below is a quote from the MTC Voyager website:
Questions exist about the Voyager’s legality based on motorcycle vehicle identification codes generally reading, “...a motorcycle is every motor vehicle designed not to travel on more than three wheels in contact with the ground.” The Voyager’s legality is not found here.
The Voyager is legal under motorcycle trailer law, which states, “a non-motorized vehicle carrying persons or property being drawn or pulled by a motorized vehicle.” The Voyager is drawn from the motorcycle, carries persons (the rider and passenger) and property (the motorcycle).
Doesn’t a motorcycle trailer require a tag? Yes, if it is an extension of the motorcycle. The Voyager is not an extension of the motorcycle, therefore does not require a tag.
Also, the Voyager is legal under the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. This act states that any product or modification that allows people to operate a vehicle or system in a way that makes it safer for the operator and the public is legal. Disabilities include both height and strength, which are major causes for needing stability.
If there is ever a question, call us. If you're ever threatened that you're riding an illegal vehicle, say that is incorrect and if ticketed, call us. We will assist with full force upon any confusion. We've had the motorcycle identification changed or outrigger stabilizing wheels identified in Iowa and Washington.
Retired trike builder
America's first lady trike builder.
While you might be technically correct Jack, HOPEFULLY the law enforcement authorities in the Sunshine State have bigger fish to fry!
If you are seriously considering adding this type of accessory to your motorcycle, it'd definitely be in your best interest to check with the state DMV to see if they have any restrictions on this specific type of product.
I'd have to believe there are a large number of these accessory devices currently in use in Florida, simply because of the number of elderly and or handicapped riders out there enjoying their bikes long after their ability to ride on 2 wheels has diminished...
Isn't it weird that in AMERICA, our flag and our culture offend so many people...but our benefits don't???
I am absolutely not a politician. I appreciate all the info. I'm working
toward a decision on what I want to operate. That's why I asked this
question. I always prefer to keep as many options open as I can. I find
it interesting that above, a participant has said we are allowed by law
to have people in a motorcycle trailer while it's being operated on the
public roadways. We all know a car pulling a trailer is not allowed to
have people in the trailer while operating on the roads. Again I thank
all for participating on this thread!!!!!!!
2020 TriGlide Tahitian Teal aka (Hawaiian Hussy). Avon frt & Comfortred rear tires. ProAction frt & rear susp. RZ seat. DK floorboard extension & rear axle retainer kit with EBS, HD pull -back bars. Custom Dynamics front turn signals & Vent grill. All ,HD "Edge Cut " accessories.
The DMV does not inspect the vehicle after you add the kit to your motorcycle. As a matter of fact nothing is changed on your registration. Now from the law enforcement angle. Without being really knowledgeable about trikes and the type of kits being referred to the average officer sees a legal motorcycle unless they really look hard. There is no reason to look hard. As stated voyager states that it is a trailer type addition. If the courts want to interpret it that way okay who is it hurting?
Now the 4 wheel Hannagan vehicle is a whole different animal. In every aspect it meets the definition of an ATV in Florida ATV's are not street legal in most areas of Florida. There are exceptions in some counties with included restrictions. If I saw one on the road here in Monroe County I would stop it and it would be ticketed and possibly towed. If you look the other way on that vehicle then ALL ATV's should be allowed on the roads.
Stallion #406 // 2013 Tri-Glide
Yep....I was at the only Polaris dealer in 80 miles from me that Sold Slingshots yesterday and he just stop selling them....3 years ago he sold about 80 of them, Then Polaris raised the price and sales started dropping..Last year they only sold 3 of them...Hes big on ATV's And Side-bys...And also he's an Indian dealer...He thinks Polaris will dump the Slingshot like the did with Victory, Which he also was a dealer..
Sometimes a Cigar is Just a Cigar.....
2019 Tri-Glide.......
To All,
WOW!!! I am so happy to read all the heartfelt, thought out, responding posts!!!! I've participated
on a good number of forums over the years, and I've watched these turn into ugly exchanges time
and again. BUT NOT HERE !!! Everybody has been as polite as can be, while making assertions and
or presenting "possibilities". I truly, "tip my hat" to the community! And, in response to all who have
contributed to this discussion, "Hear, Hear".
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*To GORILLA,
I'm a retired LEO; thank you for joining in on this. From the information from VOYAGER above:
Doesn’t a motorcycle trailer require a tag? Yes, if it is an extension of the motorcycle.
The Voyager is not an extension of the motorcycle, therefore does not require a tag.
Do you agree with this idea that NO License Plate is required for the Voyager, Insta Trike, Pow-Pac
type of "trailer" we're discussing here because it's "not an extension of the motorcycle"? I know
TRAILERS are quite inexpensive to register in all the states that I've inquired about. So registering
one's VOYAGER, POW-PAC, etc. seems like a painless and wise route to take. And, trailers must
have lights that come on with the towing vehicle's headlights, turn signal lights, brake lights, and I
believe 4 way flashers.
On the Wing I owned years ago I had lights on the Voyager fenders and it was tied into the bike wiring harness.
Retired trike builder
America's first lady trike builder.