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There is only 1 kit for this fix on 17-19 M8's?
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I want to ensure I understand this...
There is only 1 kit for this fix on 17-19 M8's?
2017 Harley Davidson Freewheeler (107 cu.in. vivid black).
To date yes only 1 kitOriginally Posted by MDO
Nuff Said," Were Burnin Daylight, Lets Ride"(Sober 37 years)
Current ride : 2021 FREEWHEELER M8, oldest ride 1960 FL
I would like to know what is in the kit, Thanks DocHey Jack! Got this email yesterday.
Surdyke.com Support <support@surdyke.com>
Fri 10/25/2019 7:00 PM
The following items have Shipped: 26500027.
Kevin
2019 Red and Silver Tri Glide
Here ya go-
Kevin
Synopsis of where we are so far with this '19 Tri Glide-
Started out with the following priorities:
- Performance/Power
- Longevity/Reliability
- Rider/Passenger Comfort
- Handling
- Safety/Security
We have been working our way down the list.
Performance/Power
So far I've put the Chrome 7 Spoke HiFlow 606 Air Cleaner on it, along with a Premium Discrete Breather System. I did a video of these installs that can be seen at our Youtube Channel.
Still running the stock exhaust. Have not made a decision on what to do there yet. The Softail and Sporty exhaust is very loud, so it is a bit nice to be quieter...but it is a bit too quiet, plus it is restrictive, choking back some of the available power, so I am going to do something, just not sure what yet.
I have the Power Vision mounted, enabling me to monitor what is going on. But I have not flashed a tune yet. The M8's do not have a super lean condition from the factory (see report on that HERE), so, while I don't have the absolute best tune possible loaded, the factory tune is not a bad one.
Longevity/Reliability
A few things I've done that affect both power/performance AND longevity/reliability-
Added the Cool-n-Clean oil cooler and oil filter relocation, along with a Performance Oil Filter. These three items make it run cooler (last longer) which results in it running stronger. There are videos of these installs, and before and after temp testing, on our Youtube channel.
I also removed my left side thigh guard, enabling air to flow better around the back of the rear cylinder.
I also added a Tank Lift and Cooling Deflector Wings for better cooling, equaling more power & better longevity...also reducing buffeting. Videos of install and temp testing also on our Youtube channel.
I also installed some Mighty Mite Fans for the same reasons and benefits above. There are Videos of both the install and the before/after temp testing on our Youtube Channel.
We also ceramic coated all of the paint and the wheels. It is holding up well, and makes cleaning it MUCH easier. Video of that on the Youtube channel.
I also installed some protective film over the ceramic in high exposure areas.
Rider/Passenger Comfort
This is the category I've probably done the most work on so far.
Using The Comfort Triangle as a guideline, the following has been done-
Custom handlebars installed (also put some ISO Grips on and my Drink Holder at the same time)
Floorboard Extensions installed
Fatty Highway Pegs with Heel Rests installed
Took my backrest, airhawk and sheepskin from the '14 and put them on this '19.
We put Mary's cut down Tour-Pak back rest on here.
Installed the Tour-Pak Relocation to get her some more room. There's a video of that install on our Youtube channel.
We installed the Adjustable Passenger Pegs for her.
Then a bit later we installed a prototype of the Passenger Floorboard Relocator, she really likes that! No more grab handles digging into her thighs. I still need to pull the prototype and replace it with a production model.
We installed the 14" Trike Series Shocks, along with the 14" Comfort Lift. Installation and testing videos are on the .
We installed the tall recurve LRS windshield off the '14 TG onto the '19. It is doing a good job, but it is pretty swirled up.
We installed a Tour-Pak rack, as well as Mary's Drink Holder.
Inside the Tour-Pak I installed a power point for charging, and also a safety tether.
Also installed, for ease of mounting and dismounting, is the Trike Mid-Step. With my foot and knee, plus my handlebar set-up, this is a very Big improvement for me.
I also installed a longer heel shift arm, along with Extended ISO shift pegs. Very nice improvements.
Handling
Besides the handlebars, Comfort Lift, Trike Series Shocks, which all make for easier steering and a more stable (less roll) platform, I've not done anything else yet in this department.
Safety/Security
I took the custom, one of a kind, front fender mud guard off the '14 and put it on this '19.
I took the rear bumper off the '14 (it was also on the '11) and had it re-powdercoated, and then installed it on the '19.
While doing the Tour-Pak Relocation kit, I also installed the Tour-Pak Filler LED Run-Brake-Turn Lights. There is a video of that installation on the l.
Still To Do-
I believe that is where we stand right now. Still have a bunch of things to do, below is a partial list-
1. Since I am transferring oil from the transmission to the primary, I am going to be installing the Vent Kit and making a video of that. Yes, I could get it done under warranty, but it will cost me less to do it myself, PLUS, I'll be able to do a video of it.
2. Still gotta figure out what to do about the exhaust, get it done, and then do a tune.
3. Need to add some LED Run-Brake-Turn Mudflaps to the rear fenders.
4. Need to add the Stealth LED front Turn Signals to the front forks.
5. Need to install some Stealth LED Driving Lights.
6. I am missing my Extended Brake Pedal Arm, need to get that installed with the ISO Pad.
7. I am going to be improving the front suspension with the addition of the FST Cartridge System. I had the AK-20's on the '14, and they were great, but the FST is almost as good, at a fraction of the cost, so I'm going with those this time.
8. Before too many more miles I will be replacing the factory Axle Bearing Retainer Plates with some that I can trust.
That is all that I can think of right now. We are thoroughly enjoying riding this Tri Glide, just like our previous ones.
Check out the 3000 mile review video, if you have not already, at this .
I am sure as we ride more, there will be other things that come up that we can do that will improve in one or more of those 5 critical areas.
There are several things I forgot in the above post-
Already installed:
Analog Oil Temp Gauge- it's working well and does not have electronics to fail like the digital ones.**
RideOn in all the tires...testing it out to see how I like it.* Not sure yet.
Plan to Install:
Avon Front Trike Tire when OEM wears a bit more.* I've run these in the past and really like the improvement.
ThunderVolt 50 Plug Wires as soon as I set some time aside to do it.* We're running these wires on some other M8's and the improvement is noticeable.
Kevin
Kevin, looks like you're nearing the end...(although that never, ever seems to really happen!)
Looking for some advice on our TG16 with approx 34K miles.......1. Have already done most of SAFETY/VISIBILITY front and rear that I'm going to do. 2.Done with some COMFORT items..floorboard relo, trunk relo, HD hammock seat, Kury passenger adj footpegs, Kwerks handlebars, Kury crash bar pegs etc. 3. LONGEVITY/RELIABILITY...DK tank lift, cooling wings, oilfilter/cooler relocation kit, Mighty Mites.
So, if you had approx $5k to put towards the trike over the next couple of years, your thoughts on order of upgrades and reccomendations?:
PERFORMANCE/POWER - Stage 1..Stage 2, but keeping stock exhaust, leaning towards torque.
COMFORT - 14" Pro Actions with Comfort Lift.
COMFORT - FST Cartridges...(I'd do chrome lower forks at same time...gotta look nice!)
RIDER/PASSENGER ENJOYMENT...upgrade stock speakers and amplifier.
Thanks for any info....thought about calling DK and talking it out...may still do that, but thought it might fit in with the thread as well...although, I realize this is for your new Trike, not your 14.
Bill
Hi Bill,
Whether for the 14 or 19, my priorities and reco's are pretty much the same.
First priority after what you've listed would be the 14" Trike Series Shocks with the Comfort Lift. Not just for the improved ride, but for the easier steering and improved stability.
Next would be the Passenger Floorboard Relocator, IF my passenger had the grab rails digging into her thighs, or if there was any discomfort from heat radiating.
After that it would be a toss up between the Stage I or the FST. Probably the Stage I next, just to get rid of that nasty oily air going into the combustion chambers.
I would NOT consider a Stage II on the Twin Cam for two reasons-
1. The cranks are the weak link in that engine and cams just exacerbate the possibility of a problem.
2. A good Stage I, combined with keeping the heat under control, will give more power than a typical Stage II will give, plenty for me. My '14 was putting out 100 ft. lbs of torque at 3200 rpm & 106 at 3700 rpm, so plenty of power for passing at 80-90 mph.
On the Stage I I would do the Outlaw 606 with any of the External Breather Systems, but I like the Stealth with a filter best. I would do the Power Vision for a tuner. While doing that I would change out the Spark Plug wires to the 409 PRO Race. They do make a difference.
After that the FST for the front forks.
I would also put the Avon Trike front tire on when tire needed replacing.
I am not an audiophile, so cannot make recommendations, nor assign priority on that subject.
A couple of other thoughts to throw in the mix-
3M film protection for high exposure areas
The Extended Brake Pedal Arm is a pretty nice comfort improvement.
If you wear out the rear tires, the Goodyear Comfortred are better than the OEM.
Safety tether for Tour-Pak lid
I like having a power point in the Tour-Pak to charge things
Hope that helps, always feel free to call or email.
Kevin
Take your own advice ... go with the E Series Mufflers .... you too can ride a Honda Gold Wing ... Devin would love to give ya some of your own medicine ...
Rake your own advice ... go with the E Series Mufflers .... you too can ride a Honda Gold Wing ... Devin would love to give ya some of your own medicine ...
Great Point! I may end up doing that!
And yeah, Devin would love it.
Kevin
Thanks for the quick reply Kevin!
I've taken off grab rails, and have a rider backrest full size sheepskin, and we add the HD Road Zepp air pads on longer rides.
The plastic film was already on the bike when I purchased it, and have extended brake lever and extended shift levers, Tether on T Pak lid and power point! (Great minds....? Ha.)
Only 6k on tires since I purchased this spring...they were new front and rear...have been following your Avon front tire travels.
Agree with the 14" shocks and comfort lift. Will do that this spring. Follow this summer with Stage 1 and tuner and wires....T Torques with stock exhaust? If I mess with catless headers and new pipes will blow my budget I'm afraid!
About the time for a new (Avon) front tire next winter or spring, will tackle the front suspension.
Thanks for helping spend my money!
Bill
Sounds like a good plan already well down the road, with a few things left.
The Thunder Torque Inserts are not made to work with the stock exhaust...unless you remove the baffles. If you did remove the baffles and put in the TTI's you would have a significant increase in power, BUT, it would be very loud.
As Fuzzy mentioned in the previous post, the E Series slip-ons are just a tad louder than stock, but deliver a nice increase in power. A bit expensive though. If you want them, contact us and we'll get the best price we can.
Yeah, headers are expensive, and there are only two reasons for most of us to swap them out-
Looks
Too much heat radiating from the cat
The increase in power from aftermarket headers and/or from removing the cat is very small. Enough to show on the dyno, but not enough for the vast majority of butt dynos to feel.
On the Twin Cams Harley has done a good job on making a good header, AND a catalytic converter, that does not compromise power.
The choked up part of the exhaust that holds back the power is all in the Slip-on mufflers.
Kevin
Pig Pipes
If you know someone with metal skills you can have the CAT removed or Wild Pig Pipes does it for $100 with your core or $150 if you keep your stock headpipes. Look them up.
Just trying to help you spend your money.
Kurt
Kevin, I’m curious about the axle plates. I remember reading about you replacing them on your previous trike, are you doing this as a precaution? I was thinking you would wait till at least 20k before doing them.Synopsis of where we are so far with this '19 Tri Glide-
Started out with the following priorities:
- Performance/Power
- Longevity/Reliability
- Rider/Passenger Comfort
- Handling
- Safety/Security
We have been working our way down the list.
Performance/Power
So far I've put the Chrome 7 Spoke HiFlow 606 Air Cleaner on it, along with a Premium Discrete Breather System. I did a video of these installs that can be seen at our Youtube Channel.
Still running the stock exhaust. Have not made a decision on what to do there yet. The Softail and Sporty exhaust is very loud, so it is a bit nice to be quieter...but it is a bit too quiet, plus it is restrictive, choking back some of the available power, so I am going to do something, just not sure what yet.
I have the Power Vision mounted, enabling me to monitor what is going on. But I have not flashed a tune yet. The M8's do not have a super lean condition from the factory (see report on that HERE), so, while I don't have the absolute best tune possible loaded, the factory tune is not a bad one.
Longevity/Reliability
A few things I've done that affect both power/performance AND longevity/reliability-
Added the Cool-n-Clean oil cooler and oil filter relocation, along with a Performance Oil Filter. These three items make it run cooler (last longer) which results in it running stronger. There are videos of these installs, and before and after temp testing, on our Youtube channel.
I also removed my left side thigh guard, enabling air to flow better around the back of the rear cylinder.
I also added a Tank Lift and Cooling Deflector Wings for better cooling, equaling more power & better longevity...also reducing buffeting. Videos of install and temp testing also on our Youtube channel.
I also installed some Mighty Mite Fans for the same reasons and benefits above. There are Videos of both the install and the before/after temp testing on our Youtube Channel.
We also ceramic coated all of the paint and the wheels. It is holding up well, and makes cleaning it MUCH easier. Video of that on the Youtube channel.
I also installed some protective film over the ceramic in high exposure areas.
Rider/Passenger Comfort
This is the category I've probably done the most work on so far.
Using The Comfort Triangle as a guideline, the following has been done-
Custom handlebars installed (also put some ISO Grips on and my Drink Holder at the same time)
Floorboard Extensions installed
Fatty Highway Pegs with Heel Rests installed
Took my backrest, airhawk and sheepskin from the '14 and put them on this '19.
We put Mary's cut down Tour-Pak back rest on here.
Installed the Tour-Pak Relocation to get her some more room. There's a video of that install on our Youtube channel.
We installed the Adjustable Passenger Pegs for her.
Then a bit later we installed a prototype of the Passenger Floorboard Relocator, she really likes that! No more grab handles digging into her thighs. I still need to pull the prototype and replace it with a production model.
We installed the 14" Trike Series Shocks, along with the 14" Comfort Lift. Installation and testing videos are on the .
We installed the tall recurve LRS windshield off the '14 TG onto the '19. It is doing a good job, but it is pretty swirled up.
We installed a Tour-Pak rack, as well as Mary's Drink Holder.
Inside the Tour-Pak I installed a power point for charging, and also a safety tether.
Also installed, for ease of mounting and dismounting, is the Trike Mid-Step. With my foot and knee, plus my handlebar set-up, this is a very Big improvement for me.
I also installed a longer heel shift arm, along with Extended ISO shift pegs. Very nice improvements.
Handling
Besides the handlebars, Comfort Lift, Trike Series Shocks, which all make for easier steering and a more stable (less roll) platform, I've not done anything else yet in this department.
Safety/Security
I took the custom, one of a kind, front fender mud guard off the '14 and put it on this '19.
I took the rear bumper off the '14 (it was also on the '11) and had it re-powdercoated, and then installed it on the '19.
While doing the Tour-Pak Relocation kit, I also installed the Tour-Pak Filler LED Run-Brake-Turn Lights. There is a video of that installation on the l.
Still To Do-
I believe that is where we stand right now. Still have a bunch of things to do, below is a partial list-
1. Since I am transferring oil from the transmission to the primary, I am going to be installing the Vent Kit and making a video of that. Yes, I could get it done under warranty, but it will cost me less to do it myself, PLUS, I'll be able to do a video of it.
2. Still gotta figure out what to do about the exhaust, get it done, and then do a tune.
3. Need to add some LED Run-Brake-Turn Mudflaps to the rear fenders.
4. Need to add the Stealth LED front Turn Signals to the front forks.
5. Need to install some Stealth LED Driving Lights.
6. I am missing my Extended Brake Pedal Arm, need to get that installed with the ISO Pad.
7. I am going to be improving the front suspension with the addition of the FST Cartridge System. I had the AK-20's on the '14, and they were great, but the FST is almost as good, at a fraction of the cost, so I'm going with those this time.
8. Before too many more miles I will be replacing the factory Axle Bearing Retainer Plates with some that I can trust.
That is all that I can think of right now. We are thoroughly enjoying riding this Tri Glide, just like our previous ones.
Check out the 3000 mile review video, if you have not already, at this .
I am sure as we ride more, there will be other things that come up that we can do that will improve in one or more of those 5 critical areas.
Thanks
Yeah, I don't feel any urgent need to replace them right now. But next time I have the rear tires off, I am going to go ahead and take an extra 30 minutes and look at the plates to see if they have started deforming. If they have (started deforming), I'll replace them then.
Given the shape of the ones I've seen, I don't think I'll go much past 10-15K miles before wanting to get the cheap OEM ones out of there.
Kevin
On another forum someone asked me how much I've spent on upgrades on the '19 TG. Another guy chimed in and listed a crazy high number he'd spent.
Got me a bit flustered and concerned about how much I've spent, so I went ahead and added everything up, in order to answer the gentleman.
Man, do I feel better! I was not sure what the numbers were going to be, but was a bit concerned.
Total retail cost of products added to the 2019 Tri Glide so far-
$4848.50
BUT, almost all of these parts have been on one or two previous trikes, and brought over to the '19 from them.
$3915.30 of the above are parts that have been accumulated and used for many years, and have seen 50,000- 100,000 miles of use already.
So, new money put into the '19 Tri Glide so far is ONLY $933.20.
I do have another $1449.40 worth of parts that I am planning on installing soon on the '19 TG.
So, if I take the total that I've spent over 9 years, plus what I plan on spending soon... 4848.50 + 1449.40 = 6297.90 and divide that by 9 years, it equals out to $699.77 per year spent on upgrades.
I feel MUCH BETTER!
Here's a video of us removing a bunch of parts from the 2014 (some of which were previously on the 2011) for future use on the 2019-
Kevin
This afternoon we are filming the installation of the Primary Vent Kit. Should be up on Youtube sometime next week.
Hopefully it will be the end of my trans to primary oil transfer.
Kevin
Looking forward to the video and hope it helps, so far the people that have had it done, it worked, have heard also that it didn't.
All for now Trampas
Yep, I've heard the same.Looking forward to the video and hope it helps, so far the people that have had it done, it worked, have heard also that it didn't.
All for now Trampas
It's done. Was far easier than multiple trips to the dealership.
In 500-1000 miles I'll know if it's working.
Kevin
Here's the video of the Primary Vent Install. I'll know in a week or two how it is working on this TG.
Kevin
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