3,000 mile Review Update-
Kevin
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3,000 mile Review Update-
Kevin
Kevin, have seen the pics of your triglide in that color and it looks really nice in the pics, well Saturday I was at the dealer here and they had one in your color and wow is all I have to say, it is one nice looking color in person, pics of a bike are nice online but in person makes a big difference
All for now Trampas
Yeah, it's been close to 40 years since I've owned any kind of vehicle that is red...never thought I would again either. But I really like the color combo on this one...especially with the ceramic coat & the color change it gets in the sun.Originally Posted by Trampas
Kevin
As we've been getting this 2019 Tri Glide set up how I like, besides observing the differences in it and the 2011 we had, and the 2014, we've been making some videos as we go.
Here's the latest one on getting the no-mess oil filter relo installed, along with an oil cooler. (coming soon will be a vid on our oil temp testing).
Kevin
Love the video ... but got some questions ... I know I'm a pain ....
Question One: On the routing of the oil lines ... did you go engine -> oil filter -> cooler -> engine to ensure no "chunks" go through the cooler or to allow more cooling by having greater temp difference at the filter or for filter efficiency with warmer oil .... or maybe all three or none of the above .... having worked with heat transfer and fluid flow in Nuclear Power and again in Swimming Pools ... that would of been the routing I would of chosen too. Just curious on your thinking.
Question Two: I'm assuming there are no check valves in the filter relocation mount (you addressed the cooler by stating there was no difference in the in or out), reason I ask, with no check valves and all the lines, cooler, and filter relocator being above the drain plug, I'm guessing most of the oil in these lines, cooler and relocator does drain out?
Question Three: How much more than the three quarts do you need to add to make up for the lines, cooler and additional plate?
Question Four: Three parter
A) With the cooler basically on your left foot, do you notice any additional heat on the foot? (I'm assuming you leave the vent open all the time to allow air to the cooler.)
B) If yes, does the additional heat compensate for the air vent being opened in cold weather?
C) If No, is there any ill effect from running with the vents closed when it's cold?
I ride on trips early spring to late fall ... we get some chilly weather in the mountains around here and I can't help hit a mountain or two as I leave town ... When I leave Friday 9/20, I'll be going through Gunnison, Co. around 9-10k and 9-9:30 am and expect it to be a balmy 37* ... in those temps, I tend to close the vents ... figure the engine won't get too hot ...
I see this mod in my future ... I was thinking about just the oil cooler ... but after watching the video ... I realize the need to move the filter ... otherwise you'd need to remove the cooler every oil change.
Thanks for going over the install in the video ... I have done oil cooler installs before with the HD coolers on two wheelers .. but not a trike ... lots of sitting on the ground work ... Hmmm ... might be a "get Don to help project" ... LOL ... I noticed you had Devin do the "ground work" ... or maybe that was just so you could do the narration ..... thanks again ... great video.
1. I route engine, oil filter, oil cooler, then back to engine.Love the video ... but got some questions ... I know I'm a pain ....
Question One: On the routing of the oil lines ... did you go engine -> oil filter -> cooler -> engine to ensure no "chunks" go through the cooler or to allow more cooling by having greater temp difference at the filter or for filter efficiency with warmer oil .... or maybe all three or none of the above .... having worked with heat transfer and fluid flow in Nuclear Power and again in Swimming Pools ... that would of been the routing I would of chosen too. Just curious on your thinking.
Question Two: I'm assuming there are no check valves in the filter relocation mount (you addressed the cooler by stating there was no difference in the in or out), reason I ask, with no check valves and all the lines, cooler, and filter relocator being above the drain plug, I'm guessing most of the oil in these lines, cooler and relocator does drain out?
Question Three: How much more than the three quarts do you need to add to make up for the lines, cooler and additional plate?
Question Four: Three parter
A) With the cooler basically on your left foot, do you notice any additional heat on the foot? (I'm assuming you leave the vent open all the time to allow air to the cooler.)
B) If yes, does the additional heat compensate for the air vent being opened in cold weather?
C) If No, is there any ill effect from running with the vents closed when it's cold?
I ride on trips early spring to late fall ... we get some chilly weather in the mountains around here and I can't help hit a mountain or two as I leave town ... When I leave Friday 9/20, I'll be going through Gunnison, Co. around 9-10k and 9-9:30 am and expect it to be a balmy 37* ... in those temps, I tend to close the vents ... figure the engine won't get too hot ...
I see this mod in my future ... I was thinking about just the oil cooler ... but after watching the video ... I realize the need to move the filter ... otherwise you'd need to remove the cooler every oil change.
Thanks for going over the install in the video ... I have done oil cooler installs before with the HD coolers on two wheelers .. but not a trike ... lots of sitting on the ground work ... Hmmm ... might be a "get Don to help project" ... LOL ... I noticed you had Devin do the "ground work" ... or maybe that was just so you could do the narration ...
2. There are no check valves. It is VERY Impo
rtant to route the lines as outlined in the instructions. There is an IN and an OUT on both the Relocator and the Oil Filter Adapter (that goes on the engine). These must be hooked up correctly. HERE is a link to the instructions. When changing the oil, there will be a couple of ounces that do not drain out, similar to the 12 ounces or so that are in the engine that never drain out when doing a change. If you want to get all the oil out (with or without an oil filter relocation) than some sort of scavenging system must be used.
(all the oil in the cooler and the adapter will drain out though, it is just parts of the lines that are below the drain that won't....about 2-3 ounces.)
3. 5-6 ounces. Always use your dipstick to make sure the oil is at the correct level.
4.
A- I feel no additional heat, nor has anyone reported feeling additional heat. Two reasons-
1- The oil cooler is inboard of the primary, which is already putting out a massive amount of heat, the cooler adds no appreciable surface area, relatively speaking.
2- The oil cooler cools the oil, and results in the entire engine, including the primary, being cooler.
So most folks feel less heat emanating from the engine.
B & C- Unless it is down in the low 40's or lower, leave the vent open. These things generate a lot of heat and cooling down the oil is key. When it is really cold, closing the vent to stop air flowing thru the oil cooler is ok, since it is likely not needed to keep the oil and the engine at optimum operating temps.
Yeah, Devin does not like to talk much on camera, so the wrench turning was him and the camera and talking was me.
I think you will like the oil filter relo, makes changing it out SO MUCH easier!
Be safe my friend.
Kevin
I've never had a hard time doing the oil filter swap ... well ... little harder now that I am not supposed to get on the knees. I did this just last weekend and I didn't spill a drop of oil on the garage floor or the bike frame. The silicon baking sheet that I use to put under the filter and directs the oil drainage to the drain pan works well ... but ... I can see doing this sitting on my shop roller chair ... LOL ... that has to be a good thingI think you will like the oil filter relo, makes changing it out SO MUCH easier!
Be safe my friend.
Yep ... I'm thinking this is gonna be a winter project ... I was gonna do mini apes ... but ... this thing seems to be a better use of the $$$ ... and less work ... I want to increase the longevity of the FBG, so, this will probably come first ... LOL ... of course ... a Zook rake kit could be in the opting as well ... so many options ... so much time ... LOL.
Thanks for the answers ... and thanks for the video ... you guys just keep getting better.
I captured this snap shot of the hose routing from your video. It will be helpful when I add the Oil Cooler to my already installed Oil Filter Relocation Kit.
The one thing I'm giving more thought to is the routing of the hoses underneath or along the frame going to and from the connections on the Oil Filter Mount. I presently have cable ties on them along the inside of the frame rails. But I do have to remember to make sure that I don't pinch or damage the hoses when I'm lifting the front of the trike with my scissor jack.
Just wondering if there's a preferred or better way for routing of the hoses to and from the relocated filter?
2016 Tri Glide Billet Silver w/Pinstripes ["Hi-Yo, Silver! Away!"]
• "There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, that it ill behooves any of us to find fault with the rest of us." ..... James Truslow Adams
• 2nd BN 33rd Armor "The Tiger Battalion" "1972 - 1974"
Great vid capture!I captured this snap shot of the hose routing from your video. It will be helpful when I add the Oil Cooler to my already installed Oil Filter Relocation Kit.
The one thing I'm giving more thought to is the routing of the hoses underneath or along the frame going to and from the connections on the Oil Filter Mount. I presently have cable ties on them along the inside of the frame rails. But I do have to remember to make sure that I don't pinch or damage the hoses when I'm lifting the front of the trike with my scissor jack.
Just wondering if there's a preferred or better way for routing of the hoses to and from the relocated filter?
I like to route one of the hoses along the inside of the frame rail, ABOVE the cross-member that runs side to side between the frame rails. The other hose I route right along side the parking brake cable on the outside of the frame rail. That way neither hose is ever below the bottom of the frame rails. No chance of getting pinched when lifting the trike.
Kevin
Huge Thanks!!
I should have asked this before doing the Oil Filter Relocation install. Thought I was helping to further lower the temperature by keeping the lines more in the wind.
Couple of weeks ago I had a real pucker situation.....speeding along 60 mph in heavy rural traffic saw an obstacle in the roadway, looked like a curved aluminum access panel. No time to avoid it, so just hit it dead center with front tire. Front wheel bounced over It and then it made the most god awful noise going under the trike and out the rear. Pulled over as quickly as possible and checked underneath for damage, especially to those hoses...thankfully none, and luckily it didn't rip the catch can off or damage it.
So I'll be relocating those hoses as you described when I do the Oil Cooler install.
2016 Tri Glide Billet Silver w/Pinstripes ["Hi-Yo, Silver! Away!"]
• "There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, that it ill behooves any of us to find fault with the rest of us." ..... James Truslow Adams
• 2nd BN 33rd Armor "The Tiger Battalion" "1972 - 1974"
Wow! Glad that metal did not come up and hit YOU! That could hurt/cut pretty good!Huge Thanks!!
I should have asked this before doing the Oil Filter Relocation install. Thought I was helping to further lower the temperature by keeping the lines more in the wind.
Couple of weeks ago I had a real pucker situation.....speeding along 60 mph in heavy rural traffic saw an obstacle in the roadway, looked like a curved aluminum access panel. No time to avoid it, so just hit it dead center with front tire. Front wheel bounced over It and then it made the most god awful noise going under the trike and out the rear. Pulled over as quickly as possible and checked underneath for damage, especially to those hoses...thankfully none, and luckily it didn't rip the catch can off or damage it.
So I'll be relocating those hoses as you described when I do the Oil Cooler install.
Kevin
Well, that thought never entered my head😨.......Count my Blessings!☺
2016 Tri Glide Billet Silver w/Pinstripes ["Hi-Yo, Silver! Away!"]
• "There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, that it ill behooves any of us to find fault with the rest of us." ..... James Truslow Adams
• 2nd BN 33rd Armor "The Tiger Battalion" "1972 - 1974"
Here is the latest video of what I've been doing with this 2019 Tri Glide-
Kevin
Oil Pressure
I may be wrong but I think there is another benefit to the relocation kit and that is I have seen a 3 PSI increase in idle oil pressure at 90+ degrees ambient temp. 11 PSI before, 14 PSI now.
Kurt
As always ... I have a question ... LOL ... imagine that. Totally unrelated to the oil filter relocation and cooler ... although more and more this is becoming a to do.
Question: I noticed the cruse light and the passing light on the das "flicker" in the video. Is that do to the frame rate of the camera or is it something new with the 2019???
Which brings to mind another question? How do the numbers compare to a 103 wet heads?
Great video ... I really loved the ride though town ... I just love the older towns with their solid looking buildings, today it seems we tear them down and build these flimsy Steel and cardboard looking things ... thanks for all you guys do.
That is probably a function of the oil being cooler, thus more viscous, which is great!
Possibly you hear a little less top end rattle due to the oil not thinning out as much.
Kevin
Hey Alan!
The lights in the dash are LED and are going on and off at a speed that the camera catches. Not sure what hz they are. Camera is set at 30 fps.
On 103 Wetheads relocating the oil filter, result in the oil temps being 8-10 degrees cooler. When we add the Oil Cooler set-up to the Oil Filter relocation, the oil temperatures are consistently 30-34 degrees cooler. So, it is not as much as the M8, but still significant.
Harley has done a better job at keeping the heat off the rider and passenger on the M8's than they did the TC's. But the M8's actually run hotter, contrary to what is felt by most riders.
Thanks! Yes, many Town Squares in Mississippi are dying, but even though a Walmart moved into Holly Springs (on the outskirts) the town has done a good job of keeping the Town Square thriving.
Kevin
Yep ... definitely gonna be on my winter project list ... 34* is significant ... hoping to be out of the care taker mode soon ... hoping to do a significant ride the first day I'm free ...
Come on man! A little snow is fun!Yep ... definitely gonna be on my winter project list ... 34* is significant ... hoping to be out of the care taker mode soon ... hoping to do a significant ride the first day I'm free ...
Kevin
My riders backrest that I have on my 2019 TG has seen well over 200,000 miles on previous bikes and trikes...the padding is worn out. Going to be looking at it and see if I can replace the padding in it, or if it is finally time to get a new backrest.
This is either the 3rd or 4th bike it has been on.
Kevin
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