Forgive my lack of mechanical knowledge but can I change cams in 2020 TriGlide and leave air and pipes stock and still see some gains? Thnx
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Cam my stock 2020 TriGlide?
Forgive my lack of mechanical knowledge but can I change cams in 2020 TriGlide and leave air and pipes stock and still see some gains? Thnx
You could, BUT. Changing a cam can change timing, hold valves open or closed for duration etc. This changes how the engine breaths on intake and or exhaust. For the best results changing the air intake and exhaust will give the best results depending on how much better the cam allows the engine to breath and exhaust.
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Thnx Jack. The stock 114 runs pretty well stock.Originally Posted by Jack Klarich
Given enough time and money you can most always 'improve' things. Just depends on exactly what you want to improve - torque, horsepower, reliability, heat, etc., etc. Just be aware that if the factory warranty (or most ESPs for that matter) is important to you then you're limited to Harley products and only those they have available for your make / model. And changing cams will most definitely require a tune for the motor to run properly.
I agree that the 114 runs pretty darn good bone stock. I plan to leave mine as is - bone stock. Heck I remember when Harleys had an 80 cu in motor, then 88 and we wanted to go to 95 or even 103 chasing better performance. Now we have a 114 stock from the factory and still want more. It's the human condition for sure - never satisfied - and that's not necessarily a bad thing since dissatisfaction does lead to innovation and improvement.
My 2017 107 is currently in the shop for a S&S 465 cam upgrade along with a TTS tuner,Fullsac Sportpipe,S&S premium lifters,the newest oil pump and a dyno tune.I installed the stage 1 air cleaner before i took it in,its all buttoned up just waiting for its turn on the dyno. Now power will be a added bonus but the main reason was to help in heat reduction because this is the hottest running bike i have ever owned.I will be adding a tank lift also and floor board extensions this winter so it will be spring before i can report on the heat reduction but once i get it back i will be doing a power comparison.As far as installing a cam in your 2020 to keep your warranty you will have to stay will Screaming Eagle components and their tune,but always check with your dealer to make sure.
As others have mentioned, you want to have a good foundation for the cam upgrade. (intake, exhaust, and after cam, a tune)
Here is a good video on the subject-
And here is one about the M8 and tuning-
Kevin
Thanks for the info. I bought it in Aug this year and only have 1,800 miles on it. Have not had any heat issues, but I’ll monitor that. So far runs great.
What ever you decide to do real a lot of reviews on how others have made similar changes to see some expectations. Also keep in mind if you do make changes how these changes will affect your factory warranty. Dont just ask, get it in writing. That becomes a contract. Dealers can make all kinds of promises, but that is between you and the dealer. It is NOT a contract between you and The MOCO unless all work and parts are approved ( EPA certified Screaming Eagle Parts) by a dealer. Good Luck
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Thnx, interesting videos
My current direction after talking with friend at Harley, keep stock pipes, do screaming eagle air and SE fuel pack along with either 447 or 462 cams. He said the cams really wake up and already fast 114, keeping stock pipes because my wife does not loud . Also screaming eagle or any other slip ones don’t remove CAT so a waste of money for performance. My current direction subject to change!
I know you are asking about a 114, a buddy of mine has a 107 that he had h-d torque cam installed in. All he did was a h-d tuner & k&n air filter cartridge no mufflers & no s/e filter. He's happy with those improvements.
My buddy had his 107 Road king cammed and he said it was like a whole new bike in performance. Seems like the M8 responds well to cams with only air and tuner. I plan on keeping everything Harley Davidson while under warranty. After warranty I’m gonna look at some of the DK customs options.
Been thinking of adding a cam to mine. Already have the decatted headpipe, cvo mufflers with Fullsac cores, PV, need to get a new license, so all I need is a cam kit and air cleaner really. Been taking a serious look at the wm8 22x, 22xe, cr480, maybe the tts cams. If I am going to make a change the better options are for aftermarket parts, rather than epa controlled stuff. More bang for the buck, better performance.
I got my '17 back from the shop on Saturday and went out for a 100 mile ride yesterday. I had a WM8-22x cam installed with new lifters and pushrods. The headpipe was decatted and replaced the stock mufflers with Rineharts. I installed a Screaming Eagle air cleaner. I am very happy with the results. Runs a lot better. Sounds like a real Harley now.
sounds great, is your cam a screaming eagle ? I’m sticking to Harley for now. Also I assume your factory warranty is expired. Great to hear you are happy with the upgrades!
Depends on the dealer but most all dealers will not honor the warranty if you use anything other than Screaming Eagle cams and tuner.I just had S&S 465 cams put in my 17 along with a Fullsac Sportpipe head pipe and a TTS tuner and i am very happy with the results.went from 73 hp and 96 ft lbs torque to 90 hp and 107 ft lbs of torque.
Sounds like a big jump in HP. I do plan on staying with all HD parts, for the remainder of warranty. Have a Merry Xmas and safe and healthy 2021!
My air cleaner is the only Screaming Eagle part that I used. Cam is a Woods WM8-22x. My dealer stopped selling Harleys on Oct 1st so they are a lot more leeway in parts they can sell and use. My extended warranty ends in a month, so it isn't a concern going forward. Trike has 53k miles on it with the pistons and cylinders replaced in August at 48.5k miles. Kind of decided that this may be my last trike/motorcycle, so I want to do some fun things to it. New handlebars and a mechanical reverse are in the plans.
Have you checked with Jim Palmer for extended warranty? Look Here
https://www.motorcycleagent.com/prot...d-service-plan
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Current ride : 2021 FREEWHEELER M8, oldest ride 1960 FL
Thank you for the information. I have thought about an extended warranty. Since I did not purchase a '20 TG, I set aside the dollars difference of what trading, adding extras and sales tax would be in a separate account. Having roadside assistance with my vehicle insurance, I decided to self warranty. I know that is not for everyone as we all know, the more miles, the more breakage. Also, since I have a socialist daughter and socialist grandkids, I am more than sure that they will not mind me spending their inheritance. Merry Christmas to all my fellow TrikeTalkers.
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