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    I have been very happy bouncing around the country and just using my Aspen Classic camper. But my 6 year old son has decided he likes riding with me and camping. I did take him on a weekend camping trip earlier this year. We went to a campground about an hour away. He did just fine and had a blast. He said he wants to do a lot more. Unfortunately the really good riding is a bit if a journey and I dont think he would enjoy spending hours on end on the back of the trike riding to destinations as well as the possibility of rough weather. For me, I'm fine doing that and have done it many times. But because if this, I figure using a toy hauler is a reasonable compromise.

    The choices on these are a bit overwhelming. So I have been looking for quite a while. I knew what I wanted. I wanted a dual axle trailer. I wanted a door on the side in middle instead of rear to have more access inside when trike is loaded. Minimum of at least a queen sized bed and at least one fold down couch bed for the little guy. I wanted it to have the ability to handle my 1200lb trike. I wanted it to be smaller and lighter so I would have no problem towing with my 2015 Silverado 5.3l 4x4. This would allow for more flexibility in destinations.

    I plan on staying off the Interstates as much as possible. With it being smaller and lighter, I'm hoping it will struggle less on grades like out in Colorado, Wyoming, Tennessee, etc... I pretty much decided on one of the Forest River models. I really liked the Grey Wolf 19RR. It looked like it was going to be a bit tight width wise as well as having the fold down couch bed in the rear where the trike would be so that would have been worthless.

    It is a 24 footer which is about the length I was looking for but with the size of the cargo area, my CSC Viper was just barely going to fit. The dealer also showed me a 22RR which was very nice as well but started to get longer than I wanted. It is approaching 29 feet but didnt really have any more useful cargo space and the front bedroom was closed off. Since I'm with my son, I would rather have a more open front bedroom. I still liked the 19RR better although it had some shortcomings.

    After looking a little further, I found the Forest River FSX toy haulers. They are also under the Forest River name, Wildwood and Salem labels They are basically identical and just different cosmetic color schemes. The one I found there was the 190RT. It was a foot longer which was ok. The 19RR cargo area was listed at 68" wide in the rear but narrowed down as you went forwards. It was also listed at 121" for cargo. The cargo area on the 190RT lists a nominal 70" wide but 124" in main area but also has more cargo room at 54" wide as you move forward. It also has 2 fold up couch beds on the same wall.

    The rear one like with the 19RR would be useless with trike loaded but I think the front one would still have enough room to fold down. But even if it doesnt, there would still be enough room to open up a foldable cot and still have access to the bathroom, the front bed, the fridge, etc... This is important because sometimes we will probably need a day or two to get to whatever destination and could just find a handy spot to sleep for the night without having to setup or unload. One added bonus is that both the 19RR as well as the 190RT have patio ramp doors.

    They come with collapsible fencing that is easily used which will create more useable space. So I now have one on order and supposed to be delivered to dealer in 10-12 weeks. Not going to hold my breath because I have heard about manufacturing issues because of component availability. But I did reach out to a rep at Forest River who said that things are getting much better and production times are coming down. As long as I can get it by mid spring, I will be a happy camper, LOL!
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    You sure put a lot of time and thought into your decision, hope everything goes according to your plan. Post a few pictures when you get your new trailer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyonaMission View Post
    You sure put a lot of time and thought into your decision, hope everything goes according to your plan. Post a few pictures when you get your new trailer.
    There was a lot more considerations put into it that I left out as well. One big one was that these toy haulers also come with fiberglass sides as an option known as the Platinum edition. The fiberglass sided ones actually look pretty nice and I was torn between the corrugated traditional sides or the more sleek fiberglass sided ones. It would have been about $7-800 more for the fiberglass but it was also going to add a couple hundred pounds to the dry weight.

    One thing I was told to consider was if one of the sides got damaged from something like stones getting kicked up or debris, the aluminum corrugated sided one would be easier to repair as only the damaged panel could be removed and replaced. The fiberglass side might need the entire fiberglass side removed and replaced as it is one continuous panel. Although this is a bit extreme, the idea of easier and cheaper repairs, less weight, and less overall price, I went with the corrugated aluminum choice.

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    Back in 2007 I did pretty much the same as what you are doing. But I didn't have a very good experience. I bought a new Carson Rebel toy hauler. I believe it was about 14 feet long. My 2 wheel Goldwing fit perfectly inside. I loaded everything up for a 2 month trip. I was going solo but still packed a lot of gear for the trip. Had air conditioner added to the trailer and a portable gen set to run it. I, too, had a Chevy 5.3L but it was 2WD.

    I got 50 miles into the mountains before turning around and coming back home. The load I was hauling brought my 5.3L to it's knees in the mountains. I remember being able to only maintain 40 MPH at 4,000 RPM on the hills.

    My old 5.3L was not as strong as yours so your experience could be much different. I would just suggest you start off with a light load to test the waters. I don't mean to be all negative but want to caution you about loading everything up at first. Good luck..... Jim
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    Mike, Good choice , Forest River build's a good Camper......
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    Quote Originally Posted by cScjhb View Post
    Back in 2007 I did pretty much the same as what you are doing. But I didn't have a very good experience. I bought a new Carson Rebel toy hauler. I believe it was about 14 feet long. My 2 wheel Goldwing fit perfectly inside. I loaded everything up for a 2 month trip. I was going solo but still packed a lot of gear for the trip. Had air conditioner added to the trailer and a portable gen set to run it. I, too, had a Chevy 5.3L but it was 2WD.

    I got 50 miles into the mountains before turning around and coming back home. The load I was hauling brought my 5.3L to it's knees in the mountains. I remember being able to only maintain 40 MPH at 4,000 RPM on the hills.

    My old 5.3L was not as strong as yours so your experience could be much different. I would just suggest you start off with a light load to test the waters. I don't mean to be all negative but want to caution you about loading everything up at first. Good luck..... Jim
    Good info and thanks for that. In mine, it has the Trailer Equipment Package which comes with the 3.42 gears as well as the rear locking differential. So far the numbers seem to match up and I should be under what is max towing weight. Because of my travels using my Aspen, I am used to not going overboard on gear. I will be bringing enough to be comfortable for the various journeys but will definitely need your advice.

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    Well it's getting closer to it happening. I got off the phone earlier with my salesman. Hr let me know that the finished trailer rolled off the line earlier today but then got set off to the side for a random quality control audit. This is actually good news as it will be gone over carefully to make sure everything is correct. It should be delivered to the dealer later this week and then its time to setup the pre delivery inspection and then take possession. I wanted to get it by early spring and looks like it will happen. I will post photos after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwhoever View Post
    Well it's getting closer to it happening. I got off the phone earlier with my salesman. Hr let me know that the finished trailer rolled off the line earlier today but then got set off to the side for a random quality control audit. This is actually good news as it will be gone over carefully to make sure everything is correct. It should be delivered to the dealer later this week and then its time to setup the pre delivery inspection and then take possession. I wanted to get it by early spring and looks like it will happen. I will post photos after.
    I hope that they do a better Quality check than they did on ours. The put a back flow valve in upside down, even though it was clearly marked. Leaked under the kitchen cabinets. Have to take out the sink to get at it!

    We were using a modified cargo trailer to do winters in Texas. We moved up to a 26 footer because as we got older, we stop overnite on long trips and needed room to get to everything, with the trike still in it.

    https://coachmenrv.com/toy-haulers/c...azer/26TH/3640

    Same weight rating as our cargo trailer. We felt no difference pulling it with our old dodge. In the mountains it slowed down some and only got 10mpg. We upgraded to a Dodge diesel only because I found a great deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjvw View Post
    I hope that they do a better Quality check than they did on ours. The put a back flow valve in upside down, even though it was clearly marked. Leaked under the kitchen cabinets. Have to take out the sink to get at it!

    We were using a modified cargo trailer to do winters in Texas. We moved up to a 26 footer because as we got older, we stop overnite on long trips and needed room to get to everything, with the trike still in it.

    https://coachmenrv.com/toy-haulers/c...azer/26TH/3640

    Same weight rating as our cargo trailer. We felt no difference pulling it with our old dodge. In the mountains it slowed down some and only got 10mpg. We upgraded to a Dodge diesel only because I found a great deal.
    That looks like a nice toyhauler from the link you left. we still use a cargo trailer on our trips what size cargo trailer is yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by woody View Post
    That looks like a nice toyhauler from the link you left. we still use a cargo trailer on our trips what size cargo trailer is yours?
    We like the new TH. Much better than our old 16' CT

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    I picked it up yesterday and now it's mine!
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    It is very nice.
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    Looks nice Mike! Enjoy it!
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    I bet you are going to enjoy that rig! Congratulations!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwhoever View Post
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    Congrats Mike, nice looking set up.
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    Good looking rig. I would look into adding air bags to your truck as they make a world of difference and will also stop oncoming drivers from flashing their brights at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonkaDriver View Post
    Good looking rig. I would look into adding air bags to your truck as they make a world of difference and will also stop oncoming drivers from flashing their brights at you.

    Kurt
    And that's exactly what happened last night on the way home after sun went down. I had purchased an Air Rider 5000 kit some time ago and was debating about installing it. When I was shopping, a few places said to wait and see how a weight distribution hitch works out first and then if needed, then install the Air Rider setup. We'll now I know and those will be going on very soon. This is my first experience with a weight distribution hitch and it actually worked better than I thought but still got some sag.

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    I finally got a chance to try loading up my CSC trike over the weekend. It came with some good results but some disappointing as well.

    When I first tried loading, As the front wheel got on the ramp it felt like I was headed for outer space because the angle. I wasn't able to get back wheels onto the ramp before I heard some loud metal on asphalt grinding. So I backed down and raised the front of the trailer to max. Still not happening. So I ran over to the local Oreillys and picked up 2 sets of Rhinoramp car ramps. These are 36" long, 12" wide, and a rise of about 8". And they are supposed to weigh about 15lbs each so a lot easier to move around. I set up 3, 1 in middle and the other 2 about where the center of the rear tires would be. It raised up the door and reduced the angle of the ramp. This time I was able to make it onto the ramp and get front tire inside of toyhauler before I got stopped. Something caught underneath and wouldn't let me go any further. Again I backed down the ramp. It turns out the frame for the footboard is the culprit. So now, I decide to remove the floorboards. Not real happy but want the trike to get in. Both floorboards came off fairly easily, just time consuming to get them unbolted and undo the wiring for turn lamps. The floorboard frame was something else. It's held on by 2 bolts that use same mount as center stand. So I'm on right side of bike and using a 6mm Allen head socket, I try to remove the bolt. That thing felt like it was welded on and no matter how much I tried, it wouldn't budge. So I went over to left side and that came out no problem. So I figured, maybe I try wiggling floorboard frame and I was able to get it to move up and down. Ok, well maybe that helped to loosen right side bolt. Nope, still not budging. But then I got the idea to maybe try and tighten it to break it free then loosen it. When "tightening" it, it began to turn. Turns out, it wasn't frozen, it's reverse threaded, Doh! So now I have floorboard frame off and it's time for the next round. So now I start up the ramp and so far so good. I get a slight amount of scraping as rear clears the top of ramp and then hear a weird noise. Not quite sure how to describe but it didn't sound right. So I get off to look. Doh! I left CB and Radio antennas up and they bent back a bit after catching top of cargo door frame. Easy fix and I fold them down. I have to remember that the next time.

    So now I have trike in and where it needs to be. Good news is that I still have access to refrigerator and could also reach stove and microwave but kitchen sink is a bit of a tight fit. What I really am not happy about though is one of the big reasons for picking this particular model. I am unable to fold down the front sofa/couch while trike is in. I knew the rear folding one was not going to happen but I was counting on the front one. I thought I would have enough wiggle room but don't. Since the entrance door is on the side in the middle, I can still go in and out, bathroom is clear, as well as the front queen bed. So that is still good. Plus there is still plenty of open space and I do have a fold up cot that would easily work in a pinch. I'm still happy overall and itching for me and the little guy to start on our adventures.

    I'm sorry but I didn't take any pics. After the whole ordeal, I was kind of worn out and just called it good. I will get some pics of the loaded trike posted soon. One other thing I wanted to bring up... I had recently changed out the fork extensions from the 1" CSC ones for the 6⁰ rake kit to the 2" ones from Cut-n-shoot. I'm pretty sure that this was still needed to give me the clearance even after removing the floorboards and frame. The CSC trikes do seem to have a pretty low stance. And just now, I realized something. I didn't check to see what level the suspension was on. I know it's not on 25 but the next time it will be and I will see if that aids at all with loading and unloading. But I do know that either way, the floorboards would have been an issue. I am probably going to leave them off for now. It does change the look but not completely in a bad way, just different. But it also doesn't look so low to the ground anymore either. It almost makes me think that I'm back on 2 wheels again so I will have to keep that in mind at stops.

    So I just wanted to give my experiences so if you go through this, you have at least some idea on what to expect.

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