Front Tire

[dthorn]

Hi Jon

I asked my wife, who has read and handled 1000's of accident investgations about the proving a tire has blown out. She told me it is pretty easy to determine that a tire had a structual failure that caused it to blow out.

Fred

I agree with you. I only brought this up because after more then 30 years of listening to all of the stories my wife has told me about accidents, insurance companies and most important lawyers and what goes on. It never ceases to amaze me at the depth that companies and lawyers will go to save money or in the case of lawyers the lows they will go to make a buck.The more money involved the worst it becomes.

I bought this up not only for us the riders but for Kevin at DK customs. The video he made on this subject acting as an agent of DK customs, could open DK customs up to all kinds of liability. There are a lot of lawyer will try to get money from the "deep" pockets of a company who instructed people to incorrectly install something as important as tires ( what the lawyer will say, not what I think).

I will give you a personal example A couple of years ago a friend had a Christmas party. As I was leaving the party, carrying folding chairs. I saw and step over some ice on the sidewalk. A women walking about 3 feet behind me stepped on the ice, fell and shattered her wrist. Her insurance company and her personal lawyer not only sued the home owner but also me.

They're basis for suing me, is that I should have in the 1 second from the time when I stepped over the ice and she stepped on it, warned her of the ice, therefore preventing her from falling. Unreal, I had to hire a lawyer. Luckily I have an umbrella policy that covered his fees. In the end after depositions and months of dealing with this headache, not mention all of hours my lawyer was able bill, my lawyer was able to get the suit against me drop.

In this day and age when so many people want to blame others and get rich off of it, you cannot underestimate the depths people will sink to make that happen. I have heard story after story from my wife on this very thing. Most of you are fortunate enough to have never experencied this side of society and therefore feel that it is "ridiculous' and that kind of thing could never happen, but it does happen and a lot more than you realize or want to accept.

Once again the chances of this ever happing are so slim but not impossible. As I stated in my last post, I am not in any shape, form or fashion, trying to tell ANYONE what to do or how to run their business. I am not saying that using a tire designed for the back of bikes on the front is right or wrong. I just am passing on some information that some people probably would have never thought about.

[PosseRider]

Curious as why you went that way ,when they have an Amer Elite front tire >> Also still waiting for my plug wires that were shipped a week ago Fri. Can not track it for some reason. Called the store & he couldnt help either. Your not that far away. Thanks Kevin

Hi Bill,

As Jerry said, the rear tire has more tread than the front and lasts longer. Also, not sure if it is a different rubber compound, or if it is because it has a little larger footprint, but they are much grippier than a front tire. This translates into better traction, both in turning and stopping.

The improvement is really quite significant.

Here's a photo from yesterday after the first 150 miles or so, the tread is quite deep.



Yes, the TG is very dirty...but I remedied that yesterday afternoon.

Regarding your package. I looked up your order and tracking. We shipped it less than 2 hours after you ordered it, now it appears that USPS Priority has either lost it, misplaced it, or ????

Fortunately they are doing better than they were a couple of months ago, unfortunately they are still messing up on some packages, like they have on your package. It may still get there. We have seen some domestic packages get delivered 12-15 days after shipped.

We insure every package, so if you do not have it this week, we will send out another one.

Natalie or Jamie will be contacting you to find out if you need it in a hurry, or can wait for USPS another few days.

Thank you for your business, and we are sorry for this delay.

Kevin

Just to follow up, Natalie got the set of plug wires to me in about 2 days. On the bike now. 1st order is still MIA, so I called Natalie today to let her know. Thanks for the quick follow-up Kevin. Ride safe

[ultrafxr]

Hi Jon

I asked my wife, who has read and handled 1000's of accident investgations about the proving a tire has blown out. She told me it is pretty easy to determine that a tire had a structual failure that caused it to blow out.

Fred

I agree with you. I only brought this up because after more then 30 years of listening to all of the stories my wife has told me about accidents, insurance companies and most important lawyers and what goes on. It never ceases to amaze me at the depth that companies and lawyers will go to save money or in the case of lawyers the lows they will go to make a buck.The more money involved the worst it becomes.

I bought this up not only for us the riders but for Kevin at DK customs. The video he made on this subject acting as an agent of DK customs, could open DK customs up to all kinds of liability. There are a lot of lawyer will try to get money from the "deep" pockets of a company who instructed people to incorrectly install something as important as tires ( what the lawyer will say, not what I think).

I will give you a personal example A couple of years ago a friend had a Christmas party. As I was leaving the party, carrying folding chairs. I saw and step over some ice on the sidewalk. A women walking about 3 feet behind me stepped on the ice, fell and shattered her wrist. Her insurance company and her personal lawyer not only sued the home owner but also me.

They're basis for suing me, is that I should have in the 1 second from the time when I stepped over the ice and she stepped on it, warned her of the ice, therefore preventing her from falling. Unreal, I had to hire a lawyer. Luckily I have an umbrella policy that covered his fees. In the end after depositions and months of dealing with this headache, not mention all of hours my lawyer was able bill, my lawyer was able to get the suit against me drop.

In this day and age when so many people want to blame others and get rich off of it, you cannot underestimate the depths people will sink to make that happen. I have heard story after story from my wife on this very thing. Most of you are fortunate enough to have never experencied this side of society and therefore feel that it is "ridiculous' and that kind of thing could never happen, but it does happen and a lot more than you realize or want to accept.

Once again the chances of this ever happing are so slim but not impossible. As I stated in my last post, I am not in any shape, form or fashion, trying to tell ANYONE what to do or how to run their business. I am not saying that using a tire designed for the back of bikes on the front is right or wrong. I just am passing on some information that some people probably would have never thought about.

I totally understand what you are saying and you raise some good points. But let's not forget the dealer / shop / person who installed the rear tire in the reversed direction on the front wheel. I have used an independent tire shop not all that far from Kevin to install motorcycle tires for several years. The two owners are riders and decided to get the proper equipment in order to serve riders. For several reasons I did not use them on my last tire change and when I contacted them recently about installing my new front tire they informed me they had stopped installing motorcycle tires because the insurance premium was too high to make it worthwhile. Things are getting more and more complicated unfortunately.

[Snickers1948]

in response to the last few posts concerning insurance denying a claim. Michelin HAS issued guidance about tire mounting. The company RECOMMENDS mounting the rear tire in reverse when installing on the front rim. Their tire design gives better performance (milage), tracking, and handling when installed in this manner.

[Teufelhunde]

in response to the last few posts concerning insurance denying a claim. Michelin HAS issued guidance about tire mounting. The company RECOMMENDS mounting the rear tire in reverse when installing on the front rim. Their tire design gives better performance (milage), tracking, and handling when installed in this manner.

Do you possibly have a source or link for this?

Thanks

Lon

[PosseRider]

Mind made up finally. New FRONT American Elite tomorrow .

[ultrafxr]

Mind made up finally. New FRONT American Elite tomorrow .

How many miles do you have on your oem tire? I've got 9,300 and still about 3/32" tread.

[PosseRider]

How many miles do you have on your oem tire? I've got 9,300 and still about 3/32" tread.

Never had the OEM tire. It was removed when i bought the Trike. Had all my tires from the 16 switched to the 20. There is almost 15,000 on the Avon. Changing early ,as going on an almost 6,000 mile ride & don't want to deal with it on the ride.

[nokkon wud]

Looking at my front I have cracks so it's time.

Trike has a Dunlap MT90B-16 on it now. I was thinking this was the original tire but that is the number given here for a rear?

Confused..

So going by the consensus here I'm going with either the Michilin Commander 2 or American Elite Both would be reversed. Which ever one I can get ASAP.

So what size for a 2013 TG to put on the front?

[PosseRider]

Looking at my front I have cracks so it's time.

Trike has a Dunlap MT90B-16 on it now. I was thinking this was the original tire but that is the number given here for a rear?

Confused..

So going by the consensus here I'm going with either the Michilin Commander 2 or American Elite Both would be reversed. Which ever one I can get ASAP.

So what size for a 2013 TG to put on the front?

Sounds like original tire,no wonder it has cracks. way too old.Any tire you decide, go to their website & search for proper size for your bike. That size was on my 16 & my 20 . That was also my new Amer.Elite front I just had installed.

[TonkaDriver]

in response to the last few posts concerning insurance denying a claim. Michelin HAS issued guidance about tire mounting. The company RECOMMENDS mounting the rear tire in reverse when installing on the front rim. Their tire design gives better performance (milage), tracking, and handling when installed in this manner.

Avon also published a paper providing guidance when installing a rear tire on a front rim and it states to install reversed.

Kurt

[Fearless]

Avon also published a paper providing guidance when installing a rear tire on a front rim and it states to install reversed.

Kurt

Kurt the Commander II that I'm running has given great service ride smooth and longevity. I can't say enough about it, however I'm very anal about checking air pressure maintenance is the key to any machine lasting. Kevin installed an American Elite on his trike curious how long it will last. Rear tires on the front is not new practice just not widely published. 5/32" or 9/32" is a no brainer for me. Good luck on your choice travel safe Fred.

[Fearless]

Looking at my front I have cracks so it's time.

Trike has a Dunlap MT90B-16 on it now. I was thinking this was the original tire but that is the number given here for a rear?



Confused..

So going by the consensus here I'm going with either the Michilin Commander 2 or American Elite Both would be reversed. Which ever one I can get ASAP.

So what size for a 2013 TG to put on the front?

130x90x16

[DK Custom Products]

Hi Jon

I asked my wife, who has read and handled 1000's of accident investgations about the proving a tire has blown out. She told me it is pretty easy to determine that a tire had a structual failure that caused it to blow out.

Fred

I agree with you. I only brought this up because after more then 30 years of listening to all of the stories my wife has told me about accidents, insurance companies and most important lawyers and what goes on. It never ceases to amaze me at the depth that companies and lawyers will go to save money or in the case of lawyers the lows they will go to make a buck.The more money involved the worst it becomes.

I bought this up not only for us the riders but for Kevin at DK customs. The video he made on this subject acting as an agent of DK customs, could open DK customs up to all kinds of liability. There are a lot of lawyer will try to get money from the "deep" pockets of a company who instructed people to incorrectly install something as important as tires ( what the lawyer will say, not what I think).

I will give you a personal example A couple of years ago a friend had a Christmas party. As I was leaving the party, carrying folding chairs. I saw and step over some ice on the sidewalk. A women walking about 3 feet behind me stepped on the ice, fell and shattered her wrist. Her insurance company and her personal lawyer not only sued the home owner but also me.

They're basis for suing me, is that I should have in the 1 second from the time when I stepped over the ice and she stepped on it, warned her of the ice, therefore preventing her from falling. Unreal, I had to hire a lawyer. Luckily I have an umbrella policy that covered his fees. In the end after depositions and months of dealing with this headache, not mention all of hours my lawyer was able bill, my lawyer was able to get the suit against me drop.

In this day and age when so many people want to blame others and get rich off of it, you cannot underestimate the depths people will sink to make that happen. I have heard story after story from my wife on this very thing. Most of you are fortunate enough to have never experencied this side of society and therefore feel that it is "ridiculous' and that kind of thing could never happen, but it does happen and a lot more than you realize or want to accept.

Once again the chances of this ever happing are so slim but not impossible. As I stated in my last post, I am not in any shape, form or fashion, trying to tell ANYONE what to do or how to run their business. I am not saying that using a tire designed for the back of bikes on the front is right or wrong. I just am passing on some information that some people probably would have never thought about.

David, I read your posts over a month ago and have been meaning to respond, just been very busy.

Thank you for the info you posted. I have put a disclaimer as a pinned comment in the video. But I should have done a verbal disclaimer at the beginning, in the middle and at the end of the video, like I did in the video below.

I am aware that even with those disclaimers, any lawyer, anywhere, for any reason (or non-reason) can go after wherever they feel like they can get some $.

Your ice on the sidewalk experience illustrates how crazy this world has become.

It is tempting to just retreat and not share information that some may find useful. At this point I don't believe we will do that, but, again, thank you for the reminder.

What we will do on a going forward basis with our videos is put in the best disclaimers we can (I know that does not protect us, but it may make defense against frivolous attacks easier) on any future videos that are even vaguely non-standard.

Again, thank you, I took all your posts as you intended, friendly advice with some good illustrations of how insane this world is becoming.

Here's the video that I peppered with disclaimers...my main concern is that these will very easily start a fire, especially in dry conditions. I did not want any tide-pod eating riders putting these on their own bikes and starting a fire and blaming us.



Kevin