Oil filter relocation kit

[DK Custom Products]

“I added the cleanable filter housing which has alot less restriction” Smitty, I don’t doubt your statement, but what indications of that do have for comparison? I would love to do the relocation, and prefer the look of the cleanable filter housing, it’s just that that I got a 5 year warranty with the TG, from the previous owner, and I’m skittish about H-D playing warranty games. If there is any clear indications that it has less restrictions than the stock screw on filter, I would be willing to take a chance.

Thanks, Al

You can see the details on the difference between the OEM paper filter and a cleanable filter at this LINK.

And here is a video of testing oil filter on the dyno.



Kevin

[ISP-FL]

Ok I wont ask how you no this? BUT HOW DO YOU NOW THIS ?????

Let me tell you a story....once about a time there were two buddies who ordered and installed relocation kits from DK on their late model trikes. The owner of the second trike somehow crossed the oil lines going back to the filter and within the first 5 miles trashed the short block.

Being a long time Harley owner there was only a couple dealers the dummy that hooked up his lines wrong would trust to rebuild his motor. The relocation kit was removed and the bike transported to the dealer. Harley inspectors had to check it out before the work could be completed. It was no big deal on the approval because M8 motors do fail and Harley sees this all the time.

Don't want to beat a head horse here, but as others have posted DK's kit is safe (if installed properly). No matter what dealer you take a blown motor to for repairs any oil relocation it should be removed before the bike goes in. I'm not saying the repair couldn't be approved with a kit in place, I'm just saying it would be a lot less problems if the kit wasn't on there in the first place.

On the fairy tail above the dummy who installed his lines wrong will re-install the oil relocation kit when he gets 1,000 miles on the new motor.

[ROAD DOG]

Let me tell you a story....once about a time there were two buddies who ordered and installed relocation kits from DK on their late model trikes. The owner of the second trike somehow crossed the oil lines going back to the filter and within the first 5 miles trashed the short block.

Being a long time Harley owner there was only a couple dealers the dummy that hooked up his lines wrong would trust to rebuild his motor. The relocation kit was removed and the bike transported to the dealer. Harley inspectors had to check it out before the work could be completed. It was no big deal on the approval because M8 motors do fail and Harley sees this all the time.

Don't want to beat a head horse here, but as others have posted DK's kit is safe (if installed properly). No matter what dealer you take a blown motor to for repairs any oil relocation it should be removed before the bike goes in. I'm not saying the repair couldn't be approved with a kit in place, I'm just saying it would be a lot less problems if the kit wasn't on there in the first place.

On the fairy tail above the dummy who installed his lines wrong will re-install the oil relocation kit when he gets 1,000 miles on the new motor.

Your a lucky man to get it repaired for no $$$$

[ISP-FL]

Your a lucky man to get it repaired for no $$$$

I'm sure in such a fairy tale he/she had the expense of an extended warranty, which are not cheap.

[gfaltersack]

My HD dealer said the relocation kit will absolutely void the factory warranty based on changing the engineering on my 2017 107 motor and again on my 2020 114 motor. The real issue is as follows: Harley is keeping it quite about the massive amount of motor rebuilds/replacements due to the M-8 sumping problems on the 2017 and 2018 107 engines and the stage upgrade motors within those years. I had two motors changed with a total of 6 months down time during two summers of riding on the 107 M-8. Their original oil pump design was not balanced in pulling out the same amount of oil that was pumped in causing foaming of excess oil in the crankcase, not being able to pump foam around the engine and burning up the motors. Usually one had to do lots of interstate riding without stopping causing that buildup of oil in the crankcase so some people never experienced the problem. The dealers are extremely sensitive to anyone modifying the lubrication system under warranty. Harley eventually fixed the oil pump with upgrades and my 2017 107 and 2020 114 ran fine but they still would void my warranty with the relocator kit.

If you can get a service writer to offer something in writing saying the kit is okay then go for the relocation kit.

[Rogue1]

My HD dealer said the relocation kit will absolutely void the factory warranty based on changing the engineering on my 2017 107 motor and again on my 2020 114 motor. The real issue is as follows: Harley is keeping it quite about the massive amount of motor rebuilds/replacements due to the M-8 sumping problems on the 2017 and 2018 107 engines and the stage upgrade motors within those years. I had two motors changed with a total of 6 months down time during two summers of riding on the 107 M-8. Their original oil pump design was not balanced in pulling out the same amount of oil that was pumped in causing foaming of excess oil in the crankcase, not being able to pump foam around the engine and burning up the motors. Usually one had to do lots of interstate riding without stopping causing that buildup of oil in the crankcase so some people never experienced the problem. The dealers are extremely sensitive to anyone modifying the lubrication system under warranty. Harley eventually fixed the oil pump with upgrades and my 2017 107 and 2020 114 ran fine but they still would void my warranty with the relocator kit.

If you can get a service writer to offer something in writing saying the kit is okay then go for the relocation kit.

I wish the MOCO would come out with something definite in writing. My dealer says no problem although I don't have it in writing. That being said, I would remove it before taking it to the shop. The minor tool kit I carry would be sufficient to remove it if away from home.

[rhino 2]

I wish the MOCO would come out with something definite in writing. My dealer says no problem although I don't have it in writing. That being said, I would remove it before taking it to the shop. The minor tool kit I carry would be sufficient to remove it if away from home.

There is no way Harley will put that in writing and i don’t blame them there are too many variables for how people are going to add/modify stuff to their engines…..

[gfaltersack]

After telling my experience with Harley service saying the warranty is void with a relocation kit I forgot to mention that I'm buying one for my newly purchased 2015 Triglide (NO WARRANTY) As soon as any warranty is off the kit is an excellent idea and saves tons of mess and hassle. First comes the NEX-GEN shocks from DK then the relocation kit!!!

I'm staring at tons of snow in Forestville Wisconsin so have plenty of time to plan. My dealer still has my recently purchased Trike for some "extras" before I get it home for some extra extras!! Greg f

[DK Custom Products]

My HD dealer said the relocation kit will absolutely void the factory warranty based on changing the engineering on my 2017 107 motor and again on my 2020 114 motor. The real issue is as follows: Harley is keeping it quite about the massive amount of motor rebuilds/replacements due to the M-8 sumping problems on the 2017 and 2018 107 engines and the stage upgrade motors within those years. I had two motors changed with a total of 6 months down time during two summers of riding on the 107 M-8. Their original oil pump design was not balanced in pulling out the same amount of oil that was pumped in causing foaming of excess oil in the crankcase, not being able to pump foam around the engine and burning up the motors. Usually one had to do lots of interstate riding without stopping causing that buildup of oil in the crankcase so some people never experienced the problem. The dealers are extremely sensitive to anyone modifying the lubrication system under warranty. Harley eventually fixed the oil pump with upgrades and my 2017 107 and 2020 114 ran fine but they still would void my warranty with the relocator kit.

If you can get a service writer to offer something in writing saying the kit is okay then go for the relocation kit.

I wish the MOCO would come out with something definite in writing. My dealer says no problem although I don't have it in writing. That being said, I would remove it before taking it to the shop. The minor tool kit I carry would be sufficient to remove it if away from home.

There is no way Harley will put that in writing and i don’t blame them there are too many variables for how people are going to add/modify stuff to their engines…..

It is NOT up to Harley or Harley Dealerships to say what is covered and what is Not Covered. The Magnuson Moss Warranty Act is what regulates what is covered and not. For a period of about 4 years Harley gave the bird to the MM Act. But a few months ago the FTC cracked down on Harley, ORDERING THEM TO STOP THEIR ILLEGAL WARRANTY PRACTICES.

Here is a video made at a Harley Store, with the the store manager...it was recorded the day after the FTC Order was sent to all Harley Dealerships.



The bottom line is that you can put any part you want on your Trike and it will NOT void the warranty, Unless said part causes a Harley Part to fail.

(A high lift cam can reasonably be argued that it was the reason for the valve springs failing. An oil filter relocation kit cannot cause the valve springs to fail, or any other part of the trike to fail...unless installed incorrectly)

There are only two exceptions. Non-Harley Tuners and trailer hitches. Oh, and racing or competition are also allowed to void the warranty.

If a Dealership tells you otherwise, not only are they wrong, they are violating the law and should be reported to the FTC.

The FTC is serious about Dealership stopping their illegal practices...fines for each instance of violating the FTC order can cost the Dealership $40,000+

Below are a few of the bullet points of the 46 page order-

#1 Do I have to use genuine Harley‐Davidson parts and services to maintain my warranty? No. You may elect to use non‐genuine Harley‐Davidson parts or service providers not authorized by Harley‐Davidson and maintain your warranty.

#2 Notice To All Dealerships- If you or your employees suggest that customers must or should use genuine Harley‐Davidson parts or services to maintain their warranties... A suggestion of that nature is a false statement, unless we give them the parts and services for free under the warranty.

#3 What the Settlement Requires Harley‐Davidson to Do To settle the matter, we’ve agreed to:  Revise the warranty consistent with the FTC’s Order, and Notify our customers and authorized dealers that customers don’t have to use genuine Harley‐Davidson parts and services to maintain their warranty, unless we give the customers the parts and services for free.

#4 As an authorized Harley‐Davidson dealer, you must promptly:

 Review the Revised Warranty.

 Provide each customer a “Warranty Addendum Packet” at the time of sale

 Train and monitor your employees. Ensure that your employees understand the warranty and don’t misrepresent its terms. You and your employees may not say or imply that customers should use genuine Harley‐Davidson parts or services to maintain their warranty, unless we give the customers the parts and services for free under the warranty.

 Remove deceptive display materials

You can see the entire Order from the FTC at this LINK.

Of course, Harley can eliminate their warranty, or they can reduce it from 2 years to 1 year, or they can put a mileage limit on it...say 1 year or 12,000 miles. They can do anything they want along those lines. But the must still follow the MM Act, AND the FTC order.

Kevin

[Rogue1]

Thanks Kevin. I will carry the FTC report in my tour pack when I travel, you know, just in case. I love a good fight.

[Dan SC]

He did show me why he thought this happens in the water-cooled bikes and I took this photo.

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the shorter one is from a water cooled and the taller one is from an air cooled.

Makes no sense to me why there is a difference between them.

The parts shown are the pressure elements of the pump, the larger one is for an oil cooled engine.

The reason a larger element is used on the oil cooled engine is because it must pump a larger volume of oil.

In addition to supplying oil to all the engine components, it must supply oil to the cylinder heads to cool the area near the exhaust valves.

Look at an oil cooled big twin M8, you will see the manifold that runs between the front and rear cylinder heads.