Has anyone heard of this?

X2 Kevin. I was going to make appointment for a new front tire this week and pick up my oil/filter while I was there. I still have a few miles to spare so I'll hold off until you post additional information about the new filter.

I'll be making some calls today.

Kevin

I just called two dealerships and talked to some mechanics at each one. (NOT Techs)

One of them had not even worked on a bike that had the new filter. The other one had only worked on a couple that had the new filter and he had not noticed it running warmer. Neither of them had heard anything about the filters making the engine run hotter.

I also talked to a mechanic at an indie shop. He has not observed any difference in the heat on the M8's from running the old filter or the new filter. He said they all run too hot....then went on a rant about it. lol

But he did qualify that he had only had two bikes pass thru his shop with the larger (new) filter.

I spoke with another guy at a different indie shop. He had actually seen the same video that I posted earlier in this thread (that Jack originally posted on the forum). He has not installed any of the new filters...he did not like the idea of the stronger bypass valve. Theoretically it could make the engine run hotter if it was not opening up as soon.

So, I don't know what to think. 6 months from now we will all know. Either this was a bunch of hogwash that was originally emailed to me, or there will be a ton of folks reporting their bikes run hotter with the new filter.

Sorry I could not get anything 100% conclusive one way or another....but I am leaning toward hogwash on the email report.

Kevin

Thanks for the time you spent Kevin. I will see what happens when my 1000 mile service is done. If it seems hot, when we leave on our trip, I will change back to the K&N filter & that oil we talked about. Been seeing some good reports on it.

Kind of makes you want to have a supply of the regular OEM filters that Harley has been putting on the M8 motors since they came out and skip changing over to these "new and improved bigger" ones.

I'm sticking with the same filter for now and will probably buy at least one extra when I change oil next week.

Want to add my thanks too Kevin.

DK Custom Products said:

Sorry I could not get anything 100% conclusive one way or another....but I am leaning toward hogwash on the email report.

Kevin

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One thing that is 100% conclusive......As the summer rolls along the'll all run hotter new filter or not....

rhino 2 said:

One thing that is 100% conclusive......As the summer rolls along the'll all run hotter new filter or not....

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True that!

I don't worry about which filter to buy...I've been running the same filter for over 100k miles. Works better than any of them and saves $.

Kevin

Something to consider also is the rate of oil flow through the engine. Consider the thermostat being removed a cooling system. It could work just the opposite in collecting heat and then cooling it. I know the engine oil has restrictions that were not changed. Did they change any orifices in the filter ? When forcing oil through a smaller orifice will heat the oil faster. What is the micron rating for the new filter ? Maybe slower flow through the filter and engine (Same oil pressure)

I had heard the valve change was to control the back flow after engine shutdown. Like keeping oil up in the engine for safer starts

Kevin, what is your thermometer telling you ?

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Sloufoot said:

Something to consider also is the rate of oil flow through the engine. Consider the thermostat being removed a cooling system. It could work just the opposite in collecting heat and then cooling it. I know the engine oil has restrictions that were not changed. Did they change any orifices in the filter ? When forcing oil through a smaller orifice will heat the oil faster. What is the micron rating for the new filter ? Maybe slower flow through the filter and engine (Same oil pressure)

I had heard the valve change was to control the back flow after engine shutdown. Like keeping oil up in the engine for safer starts

Kevin, what is your thermometer telling you ?

Just ideas......

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In this video...


...it shows that the new filter has the same nominal 5 micron material that has been being used in the standard TC and M8 filter for years.

I suppose I could buy two filters (the standard & the new one) and do some temperature tests. But I don't think I am going to take that time to test some HD parts just to satisfy my curiosity...well, now that I've written that out, I am even more curious! hahaha

I have way too many irons in the fire...don't think I'll be adding that one. We'll see. If I can get all the other things on my list done, I might do it, just for grins and giggles, AND, because I am curious.

Kevin

DK Custom Products said:

In this video...

...it shows that the new filter has the same nominal 5 micron material that has been being used in the standard TC and M8 filter for years.

I suppose I could buy two filters (the standard & the new one) and do some temperature tests. But I don't think I am going to take that time to test some HD parts just to satisfy my curiosity...well, now that I've written that out, I am even more curious! hahaha

I have way too many irons in the fire...don't think I'll be adding that one. We'll see. If I can get all the other things on my list done, I might do it, just for grins and giggles, AND, because I am curious.

Kevin

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That would be cool (pun intended, lol) but the one variable you can't control for is the actual weather conditions, ambient temperature, humidity, barometric pressure, wind, etc., and unless you can find a closed track to test on you can't control for traffic, lights, etc. So results might be skewed one way or the other just depending.

ultrafxr said:

That would be cool (pun intended, lol) but the one variable you can't control for is the actual weather conditions, ambient temperature, humidity, barometric pressure, wind, etc., and unless you can find a closed track to test on you can't control for traffic, lights, etc. So results might be skewed one way or the other just depending.

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Agreed, with traffic it is a non-starter, no way to replicate. Fortunately we don't have that challenge on the 78 down my way.

I'd have to do it the same day, one right after another, once the temp had reached peak and was gonna stay there for a couple of hours.

Would have to be mostly windless.

Then I have a stretch of the 78 that I can put the cruise on 71 mph for 25 miles (after 6 miles of surface riding), stop take temp, then turn around and do the same 25 mile stretch back, again on cruise at 71 mph.

I've done that same run well over 100 times, doing various tests. Maybe 3-4 times I had to take it off cruise because of other vehicles.

OH, and I never ride within a couple hundred feet of any other vehicle in front of me, so their wind does not change the air flow I am experiencing.

Kevin

Just got my 1000k oil change & dealer has none of the new filters yet.

PosseRider said:

Just got my 1000k oil change & dealer has none of the new filters yet.

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I did mine last week and did use the new filter so I guess I'll be the beta tester.

ultrafxr said:

I did mine last week and did use the new filter so I guess I'll be the beta tester.

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Temp gun ??

ultrafxr said:

I did mine last week and did use the new filter so I guess I'll be the beta tester.

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Have you noticed any more heat than before? Or any other problems as of yet with the new filter?

Jack Klarich said:

Have you noticed any more heat than before? Or any other problems as of yet with the new filter?

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Hi Jack. No I've been really busy with several things going on and haven't had time to ride it but a few miles since the service. But I'm headed for an overnight road trip this weekend - 200+ miles each way - so I should be able to get a feel for it. But I've not taken any temps so it'll have to be 'seat of the pants' evaluation. But I'm not concerned at all. I found my 2018 TG to be very acceptable as it was bone stock as far as heat goes and i think it'll be the same with the 2020. The M8s are much, much cooler than the 110 TCs in my two wheeled CVOs for sure. Just my never to be humble opinion.

Was at my dealer today since the covid19 started, no new oil filters at my dealer as of right now, parts guy didn't know when they would get them in and if that is going to be the new oil filter for all of them and get rid of the short version, he didn't know.

Was talking to the service manager on a few things, he said the dealer can flag your warranty if you use any oil or filter other than harley oil or filter, I told that is bull sh--, he asked why, told him that a oil is a oil no matter what brand it is as long as it is service right. He said the harley oil is what the factory wants in the harley motor regardless, after warranty is up you can do what you want, got in a heated discussion about their syn3, I told him it is not a true synetic and basically I told him harley needs to quit listening to the EPA, he didn't like that I guess, so I left before it got even worse.

I did see a video on youtube that the CEO of harley has quit, curious what this means, I know they are in trouble and not selling like they used to, but so are other companies to.

All for now Trampas

Trampas said:

Was at my dealer today since the covid19 started, no new oil filters at my dealer as of right now, parts guy didn't know when they would get them in and if that is going to be the new oil filter for all of them and get rid of the short version, he didn't know.

Was talking to the service manager on a few things, he said the dealer can flag your warranty if you use any oil or filter other than harley oil or filter, I told that is bull sh--, he asked why, told him that a oil is a oil no matter what brand it is as long as it is service right. He said the harley oil is what the factory wants in the harley motor regardless, after warranty is up you can do what you want, got in a heated discussion about their syn3, I told him it is not a true synetic and basically I told him harley needs to quit listening to the EPA, he didn't like that I guess, so I left before it got even worse.

I did see a video on youtube that the CEO of harley has quit, curious what this means, I know they are in trouble and not selling like they used to, but so are other companies to.

All for now Trampas

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Like you said the dealer is bullshitting you about the filter and the oil ‘Any brand or oil That meets The specifications is good to go!

As far as the new CEO he wants to cut production of new bikes (drastically )and have the dealers focus on selling Use Harley Davison‘s that are choking up the dealers lots causing the price of new bikes to level out a little! ::Ie Cut the supply of new bikes causing The price of the few new bikes at the dealers to rise in price!:AKA Over list!

Trampas said:

Was at my dealer today since the covid19 started, no new oil filters at my dealer as of right now, parts guy didn't know when they would get them in and if that is going to be the new oil filter for all of them and get rid of the short version, he didn't know.

Was talking to the service manager on a few things, he said the dealer can flag your warranty if you use any oil or filter other than harley oil or filter, I told that is bull sh--, he asked why, told him that a oil is a oil no matter what brand it is as long as it is service right. He said the harley oil is what the factory wants in the harley motor regardless, after warranty is up you can do what you want, got in a heated discussion about their syn3, I told him it is not a true synetic and basically I told him harley needs to quit listening to the EPA, he didn't like that I guess, so I left before it got even worse.

I did see a video on youtube that the CEO of harley has quit, curious what this means, I know they are in trouble and not selling like they used to, but so are other companies to.

All for now Trampas

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More non sense from a dealer, obviously he has not heard of the [h=1]Warranty Laws and the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act[/h]The dealer along with The MOCO would have to provide the oil and filter under this law and he should know this before he opened his trap