2006 suzuki c50 tramp kit...starting issues...help please...

[c50trampguy]

good evening folks...

i recently had put up the trike for sale, since my girl doesn't use it anymore, hurt her wrist about 3 years ago and never got around to it. anyway, the past month i wasnt' doing too well health wise, so i didn't start it, kept it on trickler...now here's what's happening:

she didn't want to start, so i jump started, she started fine, charged battery, started for a few days, kept on trickler, then a week later wouldnt start.

checked battery out, it was low 9.8, had it tested, wouldnt take a charge, so put in new battery she started up.

following day, turned key on it, no lights, fuel pump engaged...not turning over.

checked the 30 amp main fuse on top by relay, replaced it, lights came on, she started right up...

yesterday, again, wouldn't turn over, hear a click. this time though, the lights all came on, new battery was still at 12.9.

Tloday, earlier this evening, i opened up the lower fuses, switched out the ignition fuse 15, replaced 30 amp at relay, she started up.

later on tonight, i was going to take it for a ride, i turn key, have lights, fuel pump engages, hear it click, but nothing turns over...

i'm not that mechanically inclined, and also financially strapped, but wold like your help as to what it could be and how go about fixing it.

can it be the ignition switch or the starter switch???

and if so, how difficult to replace, fix or first troubleshoot...

with simple directions i'm sure i can do it or at least try it. treat me like a young kid just learning and not knowing...pls lol :Shrug:

i can follow some basic instructions and turn a wrench but not a mechanic by any means. i'm trying to sell it, she runs good, but need to fix this issue.

yes, i do have it in neutral and the clutch pulled in.

any and all help would be appreciated...thank you in advanced :whiteflag:

 

[Lee H. Mann]

I think originally your battery was toast.

But now it sounds like it may be the starter relay. Or poor connection, might be corroded.

 

[Burnerboy]

Just a *thought* here, is the battery terminals tight???

Happened to me with loose clamps on the battery, embarrencing and expensive process at the time....

Between lost time riding, waiting for tow truck,[2 1/2 hours] (paying for that..$100.00) scratched finder by tow operator, and $150.00 at dealership, I finely realized it was just a loose battery terminal ( I should have known better/I'm not a wrench, but I'm also not a baby fingers type of guy either, I do alot of my own maintenance.....It was one of those, extremely, very hot muggy type of days 90* degrees, and I was out in the hot sun,pisse# off, you know the feeling I'm sure! Anyway enough of me, let's concentrate on your problem now!! Give the terminals a quick check, this could very much be your problem!!!

Ronnie

 

[c50trampguy]

I think originally your battery was toast.

But now it sounds like it may be the starter relay. Or poor connection, might be corroded.

thanks. i'm just not quite sure how to figure out the connection troubleshooting. but i just remembered from my vtx days, to perhaps clean out the handle switch starter, which i know in VTX's at times would get full of crud...thanks again

 

[c50trampguy]

Just a *thought* here, is the battery terminals tight???

Happened to me with loose clamps on the battery, embarrencing and expensive process at the time....

Between lost time riding, waiting for tow truck,[2 1/2 hours] (paying for that..$100.00) scratched finder by tow operator, and $150.00 at dealership, I finely realized it was just a loose battery terminal ( I should have known better/I'm not a wrench, but I'm also not a baby fingers type of guy either, I do alot of my own maintenance.....It was one of those, extremely, very hot muggy type of days 90* degrees, and I was out in the hot sun,pisse# off, you know the feeling I'm sure! Anyway enough of me, let's concentrate on your problem now!! Give the terminals a quick check, this could very much be your problem!!!

Ronnie

thanks, that's one of the first things i checkout. made sure all the negatives/grounds due to leds were tight, not draining battery. oh btw, when i said i can use a wrench, doesn't mean i'm one, i know how to turn if you tell me which one lol. but along the way, i can do steering bearings, replace anything that has simple connections and a few screws or bolts. once it gets bypassed by relays or into main plugs, i'm smart enough to say i'm not...thanks guys for help...

as mentioned above, i'm going to try cleaning handle started switch, i know they get crud all over them. then on the weekend have a buddy give me a hand taking gas tank off and checking the wiring from key starter to swithc and relay. the new battery has not drained, so the power is not being drained...now we move on, again, thanks fellows...:scooter:ray:

 

[wehrme]

Were those fuses blown, or she just started after you replaced them?



Don't remember if the Volusia had to have it's kick stand up for starting or not. If so, maybe whatever they did now has become loose or tickly.



I'd try https://www.volusiariders.com/

I'm sure they could help you out.

 

[c50trampguy]

Were those fuses blown, or she just started after you replaced them?

Don't remember if the Volusia had to have it's kick stand up for starting or not. If so, maybe whatever they did now has become loose or tickly.

I'd try https://www.volusiariders.com/

I'm sure they could help you out.

i'm not sure if they were blown or not, i used the spare on the relay and she started up right away, then when she didn't start next time, i replaced with another new, although they dont seem to blown...

thanks, that's where i was able to get some info. most give the info for the 05, which is carburated when ive looked for stuff.

when i finally got the right 50, c50 2006 one, i check the kickstand. i've also checked the clutch too...

this bike only had 2 miles when it was triked...its only been run as a trike...

thanks

 

[Lee H. Mann]

Maybe ?????? :Shrug:

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Recall-Letters/2005-2006 Boulevard C50-C50SE-C50T.aspx?sc_lang=en-CA

 

[c50trampguy]

Maybe ?????? :Shrug:

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Recall-Letters/2005-2006 Boulevard C50-C50SE-C50T.aspx?sc_lang=en-CA

i'll have to research this with my girl. she first bought the bike with her sister, and it was trailered over to the trike place. i wasn't with her back then so i wouldnt know, but i have read about this and asked her and her sister and they can't remember...i;ll look up the Vin and see if that gives me anything, thanks

 

[Lee H. Mann]

i'll have to research this with my girl. she first bought the bike with her sister, and it was trailered over to the trike place. i wasn't with her back then so i wouldnt know, but i have read about this and asked her and her sister and they can't remember...i;ll look up the Vin and see if that gives me anything, thanks

I have read that you could have a loose wire at the ECM or possibly you may have a fault failure code stored in your ECM. This video shows an easy check.

 

[c50trampguy]

I have read that you could have a loose wire at the ECM or possibly you may have a fault failure code stored in your ECM. This video shows an easy check.

ok. thanks Lee, you the man, lol...got home a little while ago and went out to check it out and its giving me a C12...

I'll look at his second video and hopefully follow thru either tomorrow or Friday... thank you very much sir...i'm glad he said other models have it on the other side, since i had to take the right side cover off and there are two connectors there that just hang by themselves, 1 white, which is where i got my codes and the other is black. all they have is a little plastic cover sort of a dust cover, for lack of a better or more mechanically inclined term...i went and checked cable leading from relay to battery, made sure the battery cables were tight, just since i was there. i also tried cleaning out starter switch but it seemed clean. i'll follow up and let you know whats happening...progress is victory, good nite, thanks and bless...:clapping:

 

[c50trampguy]

ok heres the scoop: i removed tank, hoping that the part would be visible to me, as it was in the c90 video, but it was not.

i did look at ecm and doesnt look like anything is loose.

i looked at the video, tried to find the corresponding parts and having trouble identifying...that's due to my lack of mechanical ability not for lack of trying...even when i got frustrated and was tired and blind, didn't throw anything, pull anything nor cut anything lol

i cant seem to find where the actual Crank Position Sensor is at. looking at all the terminals, electrical connections as best as i could, i did not see any wires that seemed loose, or about to fall out...again, this is based on me looking at it.

does anyone have a picture or a diagram of where this CPS is located at??? thanks to all in advance...

thanks to those who've offered help, Lee...and others. a buddy of mine from vtx helped me checked out starter relay and that's ok...

 

[wehrme]

You didn't mention if you had a service manual or not, or maybe I just missed it.

Anyway, try this link http://jaycepatterson.com/Pink.html

It's for earlier models, but may have some useful information.

 

[c50trampguy]

i dont have a service manual. i was looking at that site over the weekend and some things are different. thanks

ill keep trying for awhile, then i guess i'll have to take it in...

 

[c50trampguy]

mornin,

found out that the CPS is actually part of the stator itself...so since i can't find a loose wire, i guess will have to wait till weekend to break that down and most likely look into buying a used one on flea bay...thanks to all for help...

 

[Sidecarbill]

The cps has absolutely nothing to do with what you describe as symptoms. You say it won't turn over. The cps controls ignition. When you turn the he key on did you have the alternator plug disconnected? If so thats why the cps code came up. It will probably go away once all your wiring is hooked back up. You should let a dealer look at it. The more things you mess the more the dealer has to fix. Throwing parts at something you know nothing about and hoping you'll hit the right combo isn't a good idea. I'm not being demeaning but you said straight out you weren't a mechanic.

 

[c50trampguy]

thank you sir. just makes me wonder why i thought out loud here in first place.

you all have a nice day...

 

[Sidecarbill]

Well sounds like I pissed you off without trying.:Shrug: So your problem was a no start, starter motor not turning. Take a test light go to the starter, the main terminal. Push start does the light light? Yes. Starter motor is not working, replace. Light does not light go to the other end of that wire does it light? No. Go to the other side of solenoid if you have power at that side it comes from the battery so your problem would be in the start button circuit. Or the starter button. Check the small wire on the solenoid does it light when you push the button. If so the solenoid is bad. You're just going through a process of elimination here. Check your fuse s with a test light make sure they light the light on both sides. You didn't accidently hook the battery or charger up backwards did you. Thats alot of typing for one finger Bill If you were here I'm sure we could figure it out.

 

[c50trampguy]

thanks so much for replying...

you're right i'm not a mechanic, but can follow directions, at times, what i can't afford is a mechanic, my issues again...

ive tried several things and bike has started, but then, if i shut her down, wont start. which had me looking for a loose wire by ecm, starter relay, batteries, tracking alot of the wires...i had not disconnected anything when i checked for codes, the terminal is a free terminal with just a cover on it...

originally, the battery was bad which was the first t hing i replaced anyway...the fuel pump engages, speedo lights up, front lights come one meaning headlights and all others, since it's a trike, it has on side stand, but the switch there seems to be tight engaged, clutch also seems to be working properly...

so, when i've tried looking for a loose wire and move things around, she'll start, then after shut down she wont...that's where i'm at and i know its alof of posts to try and follow...and the battery wires were not criss crossed and you didnt piss me off, just tired...

i have a trike i have no use for, my old lady has just wanted to keep it as a shed ornament and now finally has decided she'll let go of it, and of course all crap hits the fan...i wanted to sell it since before i had to have open heart surgery, she always rides but she wanted to keep it even after she hurt her wrist and also has carpal tunnel . but she wanted her independence and to be able to ride, in case she ever got on again...well, that's how we're here now...

i know i know, TMI, i have a towel, traded in my handkerchief...but throwing out girl, saving money trying to fix trike is not an option, although on days like today...:gah: and all this without you having anything to do with it...so, its just wednesday....thanks again, i'll take a look at that hopefully this weekend, since i wont have time till then...

 

[Sidecarbill]

If you put the sidestand down does it replicate the condition? In other words it won't start? If so that is a pretty simple switch it basically completes the circuit so the bike can start. You could disconnect that switch and use a jumper wire on the harness. Will it not start immediately after the first start or does it have to warm up before it won't start again. Ecm problems aren't that common and they usually have to be hot the expansion breaks the circuit.