I-Team: Lawsuits Blame Harley Davidson ‘Trikes' for Death, Injuries

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I-Team: Lawsuits Blame Harley Davidson ‘Trikes' for Death, Injuries

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/i-team-lawsuits-blame-harley-davidson-trikes-for-death-injuries/3277483/

 

[stacebg]

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investig...y-davidson-trikes-for-death-injuries/3277483/

sometimes old ways are better than newfangled computers

 

[wlivin2]

Harley needs to do something fast to many trikes if nothing else turn off ABS till they figure it out

 

[nucseal]

So now every time I jump on my 20 Triglide I have to worry about hitting a guard rail at 70mph? Just GREAT!!!

 

[trike lady]

Is there a way to over ride the computer control and turn them into standard brakes? :xzqxz:

 

[bikerbillone]

Sadly, HD will not do a recall on this problem, that would be fodder for the law suit.

 

[ROAD DOG]

Should we be riding these things ? Thats some scarey shit ? Can you unplug the abs module and still ride it ? You would think harley would say weather or not they are safe to ride ? They no theres a problem how many people need to die or be hospitalize for them to step up and repair these things ?

 

[rhino 2]

So now every time I jump on my 20 Triglide I have to worry about hitting a guard rail at 70mph? Just GREAT!!!

The problem is they put the guard rails to close to the road you can’t avoid hitting them they should move them out into the woods..

 

[Sidecarbill]

The problem is they put the guard rails to close to the road you can’t avoid hitting them they should move them out into the woods..

Glad you pointed this out Bob. Sometimes the answer is just so obvious.:Shrug: The other thing they need to work on is telephone poles. They can jump from the side of the road in a heartbeat. Barely avoided a couple back in my younger drinkin days.:xzqxz::laugh: if I remember abs disables it self when a fault code shows up. They then are basically standard brakes. Jack will know.

 

[Jack Klarich]

[FONT=&quot]Traction control is automatically enabled at each ignition start cycle. The rider may choose to disable traction control anytime the vehicle is at a complete stop and the engine is running by pressing and holding the traction control switch for one full second.[/FONT]

ABS cannot be disabled, you would have to do a work around the pump system

The majority of ABS lock up problems were already fixed after HD first debuted ABS on model years 2008-2018

However 19 and 20 models also had a recall for a software problem

 

[seniorsgt]

I had a software recall a month after I bought my 2019 triglide

 

[ROAD DOG]

the problem is they put the guard rails to close to the road you can’t avoid hitting them they should move them out into the woods..

hay thats f____kin funny ! The guys wife is dead your f---ked up

 

[rhino 2]

hay thats f____kin funny ! The guys wife is dead your f---ked up

Shit happened’s no one lives forever..And I’m sure if the lawyer wins a big Sediment that Will ease the pain..

 

[trike lady]

Found these interesting items:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/HARLEY-DAVIDSON/FLRT#recalls https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/HARLEY-DAVIDSON/FLHTCUTG#recalls https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/HARLEY-DAVIDSON/FLHTCUTG#complaints https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/HARLEY-DAVIDSON/FLHTCUTG#manufacturerCommunications https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/HARLEY-DAVIDSON/FLHTCUTGSE#manufacturerCommunications

 

[ROAD DOG]

I just unplugged my two rear wheel abs sensor's . brake's still work good , don't have to worry , when you have a abs sensor go bad on a car you have regular brake's , I don't think mine ever worked any way's .

 

[trikeman]

SIMPLE IS BETTER....:clapping:

 

[ROAD DOG]

I'm Probally Crazzzzy I rode my trike all day today with the rear A B S disconnected so there is no A B S or traction control or RDRS It seem's to handle so much better It's a totally different trike it seem's like it's a easyer to ride and handle's better ? It Can't be posable ?

 

[nucseal]

I just unplugged my two rear wheel abs sensor's . brake's still work good , don't have to worry , when you have a abs sensor go bad on a car you have regular brake's , I don't think mine ever worked any way's .

So where do you disconnect these sensors?

 

[Jack Klarich]

I'm Probally Crazzzzy I rode my trike all day today with the rear A B S disconnected so there is no A B S or traction control or RDRS It seem's to handle so much better It's a totally different trike it seem's like it's a easyer to ride and handle's better ? It Can't be posable ?

What about the sensor on the front wheel? Is that not linked thru the ABS pump?

Are there any codes besides the obvious?

I assume your ABS light on the speedo is on?

 

[ROAD DOG]

What about the sensor on the front wheel? Is that not linked thru the ABS pump?

Are there any codes besides the obvious?

I assume your ABS light on the speedo is on?

Yes A B S light on , traction control light is on, once one sensor is bad or disconnected the A B S is disabled .

 

[dlpuette]

Does this only apply to the 19 + models with traction control?

should I be concerned about my 18?

 

[Jack Klarich]

Does this only apply to the 19 + models with traction control?

should I be concerned about my 18?

You can check your trike thru your VIN here

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/tools/service-recalls.html

 

[kwkride]

The recall is related to trikes that are built between 3/12/18 and 11/5/19

 

[Z06tacoma]

My 2018 came back OK.

 

[dlpuette]

Thanks guys. I’ll check the vin recall

I know my bike was delivered to the dealer and previous owner in January of 18. It was #49 of the 1900 run. Likely assembled in York just before that.

 

[rhino 2]

I figured before i run out and buy a roll of bubble wrap to wrap myself in so i can bounce off guard rails safely....I would run my VIN# ....Comes up clean...

 

[ROAD DOG]

So where do you disconnect these sensors?

Look under the back of the trike you will see the sensor's going into the backing plate there's a plug on both side's above the rear axle housing, just push in the locking clip and pull apart the plug. I'm going to leave mine unplugged .

 

[ultrafxr]

It only applies to 2019 and early 2020 models as 2019 was the first year for ABS. As Jack pointed out in post # 10 the Traction Control System (TCS) can be disabled. You must do that each time you start engine as default is enabled. It is a TCS issue NOT an ABS issue. The recall software update was to correct a possible bad read from a wheel speed sensor causing the TCS to think that wheel had lost traction and then applying the brake to that wheel only to regain traction. The update was done on my 2020 before I took delivery in December, 2019, and I've had absolutely no problem . . and am not concerned that I will. I'm not downplaying the significance of this but it is old news and afaik has been resolved.

And while this may be far fetched I can see a possible scenario where in the event of an accident the insurance company inspects and finds the ABS sensor disconnected they might have a reason to deny or at least complicate a settlement. They know which models have ABS (and probably even asked on the application) and have factored this into the premium.

 

[Jack Klarich]

It only applies to 2019 and early 2020 models as 2019 was the first year for ABS. As Jack pointed out in post # 10 the Traction Control System (TCS) can be disabled. You must do that each time you start engine as default is enabled. It is a TCS issue NOT an ABS issue. The recall software update was to correct a possible bad read from a wheel speed sensor causing the TCS to think that wheel had lost traction and then applying the brake to that wheel only to regain traction. The update was done on my 2020 before I took delivery in December, 2019, and I've had absolutely no problem . . and am not concerned that I will. I'm not downplaying the significance of this but it is old news and afaik has been resolved.

And while this may be far fetched I can see a possible scenario where in the event of an accident the insurance company inspects and finds the ABS sensor disconnected they might have a reason to deny or at least complicate a settlement. They know which models have ABS (and probably even asked on the application) and have factored this into the premium.

Good follow up with your info

Yes the insurance companies know the minute the bike is insured . Thru the VIN they know everything about the bike/ and or trike. Trying to defeat the ABS or traction control will end up causing bad JU JU IMO

 

[ROAD DOG]

Good follow up with your info

Yes the insurance companies know the minute the bike is insured . Thru the VIN they know everything about the bike/ and or trike. Trying to defeat the ABS or traction control will end up causing bad JU JU IMO

It is What It Is . I want control of my trike . Having A B S brake's and traction's control & R D R S That may or may not work That's not for me .