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Hey Bill!
We did not get hit as hard as Texas, but it did effectively shut down virtually everything in the Memphis area.
UPS, USPS and FedEx stopped running for almost an entire week. Even Amazon was not delivering from their local warehouses!
It is a sunny 70 degrees today, so hopefully all that mess is behind us.
Sounds like y'all are having a great time out in AZ, enjoying the warm weather and some great roads.
With the oil filter relo and the oil cooler, there is No drop in oil pressure and No delay in pressure building. When I say no, I mean less than 1/2 of a PSI at the most, and less than 200 milliseconds difference in pressure building.
This is one of the first things we tested, extensively, when we were designing these parts.
Hopefully they checked the hoses for any kinks or pinches...highly unlikely they exist, but always a possibility, and that should be checked if it has not been.
No offense, especially if you like the guys at the shop, but it sounds like they're just guessing and replacing parts. Which may or may not be a bad thing if it is not costing you anything.
Whenever I am troubleshooting I always go by process of elimination, starting with the easiest and least expensive first.
Your Tri Glide is a '16, so the most common source of a clicking noise are the Rockers. Not hearing it, can't say for sure that is it. But it is far and away the most common. And it can start when new or after many miles. The solution is simple and inexpensive. Rocker Lockers, which you can see HERE.
They have started down the lubrication path...first thing to check is the actual oil pressure, it is either good or not, and either comes up to pressure quickly (1-2 seconds) or not. If the pressure is good, (and it is not the rocker shafts) then it is time to listen with a stethoscope to see if the part of the engine making the clicking can be located. Then see if there is some blockage in the oil passageways feeding that area.
If there are no blockages (oh, and check to make sure the oil filter is not somehow the factor), then it may be time to start looking at hard parts, of which there are many that could cause a clicking noise.
That is where an Experienced Mechanic (not a Tech parts replacer) really comes into play, isolating the area and having the experience to know the difference between a rod knock, a partially collapsed lifter, a bad cam chest bearing etc.
But I would check the rockers first, there are 500 Twin Cams that click because of that for every one that clicks from something else.
Have fun out in AZ. Hope our paths cross again soon.
Kevin
The filter relocation/oil cooler kit is on my list along with the EBS catch can. I think I will be done with the motor after that.
I am having a Harley Davidson cooling fan added at dealer now. Have you done any testing on how much that fan reduces oil temp? Thanx, Be Safe, Barry
Hey, thanks for the quick reply!
I'm sure you noticed in my original message I said 'tech'....not mechanic! And, I had told them about already replacing the rockers earlier in the summer...so we start with replacing new parts...oh well, I'm not a mechanic.
I don't think oil pressure will end up being the problem...I do check that when riding...not frequently, but it is checked and there is always appropriate pressure (30-36), if I remember correctly.
I'm hoping they have it figured out when we get home. They should be able to test ride the trike...I noticed temps back in SD in the 50s and 60s this week....only 20 or so degrees difference than here last week!
I'll keep you in the loop
Bill
Hi Barry,
Yes, we have tested that. There is no perceptible decrease in oil temperature with the Harley Coolflow fan.
It is not designed to cool the engine or the oil.
It is designed to redirect the heat from the engine away from the rider and the passenger onto the ground.
Kevin
Here is a good link on what you can do to actually decrease engine and oil temperature (which will result in less actual heat, so the rider and passenger will feel less heat) ie. solution vs. bandaid
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
Hi Barry,
Yes, we have tested that. There is no perceptible decrease in oil temperature with the Harley Coolflow fan.
It is not designed to cool the engine or the oil.
It is designed to redirect the heat from the engine away from the rider and the passenger onto the ground.
Kevin
Here is a good link on what you can do to actually decrease engine and oil temperature (which will result in less actual heat, so the rider and passenger will feel less heat) ie. solution vs. bandaid
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C
Hey Bill,
Yes, even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
Hope they get it resolved for you.
How much longer are you in AZ for?
Kevin
Thank you for the link. I watched the videos. I am also getting screaming eagle intake and tuner. Based on the video I may see some reduction in oil temp? Also getting 447 cam which may cancel out my reduction? Thnx Barry
Cheapest flight we found back home was on April 18th. Kind of wanted to stay till closer to May, but prices really went up after the middle of the month....so 18th of April it is (early morning flight).
Yes, I'm hoping it'll be ready to go. I'm leaving the Freewheeler here in AZ, so only other riding options are the Tri (in the shop) or my daughters 883 Low Sporty.....not a great rider for me!
Hey Barry,
Looks like you have a 2020 Tri Glide. The unfortunate thing with those is that they do not have any real way to dissipate the heat from the oil. The only fins on the bike that help dissipate heat are on the cylinders and heads....but there is no oil flowing thru those.
So, by doing some, or all, of the things at this LINK for reducing heat in the engine (the actual metal), absent adding an oil cooler and/or filter relo, there is no good way to reduce oil temps down to the optimum area of 230 F.
Because, with time, the oil will always normalize to the internal metal temps.
Your SE intake and tuner may reduce engine temps by a few degrees, doubtful even 10 degrees. They are EPA compliant and the EPA wants High Temperatures (they don't care about the longevity or power production).
Yes, you're correct, the 447 cam is not going to do you any favors heat wise.
This may be a video that you find useful-
Kevin
Wow, a little over a month from now. It'll still be cold up there?
btw, our tentative plans for this summer are riding around Yellowstone sometime in July and having a day trip...BOTH ways over Beartooth Pass. That's still a bit of a ways for you...
Kevin
No, the temps should...should be in the daytime 60s and cooler at night. But, can snow anytime in the midwest!
Love Beartooth! We've done it twice...but never on the trike. Daughter was 15 yrs old on our 1st trip...SD motorcycle learners permit... on a 650 Suzuki single...was that called a 'Bandit'? Stayed in Red Lodge, so up to Cooke City and back. Her first big trip, from NE SD there and back. Wife and I were on a 650 Yamaha V Star. This was back in 2007. Don't want to ride 1800 miles on either bike again! 2nd time was a solo trip on the Heritage in 2014 or 2015 I think?,....total blast!!
It's about 800+ miles to Red Lodge from home...hmmmm, 2 day ride out, ride the Pass, 2 days home...easy week! May have to keep July in play!!
Got a call from the HD service mgr today (Saturday). With nicer weather back home, they were able to put some miles on the Tri. He said the tech had bypassed the relocated filter and cooler, rode it around 40 miles and no clicking sound. He recommended the higher pressure pump. We were out on a ride, so I wasn't able to read back what you had told me in the previous post about oil pressure and start up, etc. The dealership is closed Sunday and Monday, so I told him I'd call back on Tuesday when I could be at the computer and read our conversation to him. Wait and see, I guess....and, I forgot to ask about my ESP coverage or estimated cost if not covered.
Thanks,
Bill
No, the temps should...should be in the daytime 60s and cooler at night. But, can snow anytime in the midwest!
Love Beartooth! We've done it twice...but never on the trike. Daughter was 15 yrs old on our 1st trip...SD motorcycle learners permit... on a 650 Suzuki single...was that called a 'Bandit'? Stayed in Red Lodge, so up to Cooke City and back. Her first big trip, from NE SD there and back. Wife and I were on a 650 Yamaha V Star. This was back in 2007. Don't want to ride 1800 miles on either bike again! 2nd time was a solo trip on the Heritage in 2014 or 2015 I think?,....total blast!!
It's about 800+ miles to Red Lodge from home...hmmmm, 2 day ride out, ride the Pass, 2 days home...easy week! May have to keep July in play!!
Got a call from the HD service mgr today (Saturday). With nicer weather back home, they were able to put some miles on the Tri. He said the tech had bypassed the relocated filter and cooler, rode it around 40 miles and no clicking sound. He recommended the higher pressure pump. We were out on a ride, so I wasn't able to read back what you had told me in the previous post about oil pressure and start up, etc. The dealership is closed Sunday and Monday, so I told him I'd call back on Tuesday when I could be at the computer and read our conversation to him. Wait and see, I guess....and, I forgot to ask about my ESP coverage or estimated cost if not covered.
Thanks,
Bill
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