Ideas on braking?

[jweb]

Hello all!

New to trikes here, returning to riding after 25yrs since becoming a paraplegic, just picked up actually two 86 wings with motortrike kits. Need some information on setting up the braking system with what parts needed to be able to operate the brakes with just the front master cylinder, what I have done so far is to mount another M/C on the clutch side inside of the bars to use as a thumb brake for the left front rotor, the rear drums and the rf rotor are still linked together via the foot brake. Since I have no use of the legs, what parts are needed to accomplish using the brake set up? That others have used and that have worked. Thanks for any and all information. oops! just saw the same question posted before me, still looking for part numbers or manufacturers that have the parts, anybody have pics or diagrams? Something that works

 

[Gone2Three]

Hello all!

New to trikes here, returning to riding after 25yrs since becoming a paraplegic, just picked up actually two 86 wings with motortrike kits. Need some information on setting up the braking system with what parts needed to be able to operate the brakes with just the front master cylinder, what I have done so far is to mount another M/C on the clutch side inside of the bars to use as a thumb brake for the left front rotor, the rear drums and the rf rotor are still linked together via the foot brake. Since I have no use of the legs, what parts are needed to accomplish using the brake set up? That others have used and that have worked. Thanks for any and all information. oops! just saw the same question posted before me, still looking for part numbers or manufacturers that have the parts, anybody have pics or diagrams? Something that works

Glad to see that your returning to something that you loved to do after 25 years! :clapping: not a motortrike conversion guy, so I wouldn't be much help...sorry, Freewheeler owner here but I'm sure that there's someone on the fourm that can get y'a going. Some great people here with helpful advice to spare.

Will be looking forward to hearing you progress on joining us 3 wheelers soon!

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[rodekyll]

How did you solve the shifter problem?

 

[peteg59]

How did you solve the shifter problem?

Pingel, & ,Kliktronic both make electric shifting kits for many models.

To jwebs inquiry:
Linked braking is an ongoing topic. There is no current go to company that I'm aware of, who market's a linked braking system kit to simply bolt on & go onto a machine that is not originally engineered from the factory with linked braking.
When I got back into riding again after my injury a few years back I found this out, & discovered that liability issues preclude any established business from venturing into this market.
I was also informed that the market is too small to entice anyone big from developing a product in that arena.

Many of us have "adapted" whats available to work, with varying degrees of success.
Safety is a big concern & as such it needs to be a #1 consideration in getting back on the road after a life changing event.
Everyone has differing degrees of physical ability after an injury & that factor also makes it too difficult for a 1 size fits all adaptive riding experience.
Best of luck jweb. Don't get discouraged, there are ways of doing about anything if one's determination is strongThumbUp

 

[jweb]

Braking

Pingel, & ,Kliktronic both make electric shifting kits for many models.

To jwebs inquiry:
Linked braking is an ongoing topic. There is no current go to company that I'm aware of, who market's a linked braking system kit to simply bolt on & go onto a machine that is not originally engineered from the factory with linked braking.
When I got back into riding again after my injury a few years back I found this out, & discovered that liability issues preclude any established business from venturing into this market.
I was also informed that the market is too small to entice anyone big from developing a product in that arena.

Many of us have "adapted" whats available to work, with varying degrees of success.
Safety is a big concern & as such it needs to be a #1 consideration in getting back on the road after a life changing event.
Everyone has differing degrees of physical ability after an injury & that factor also makes it too difficult for a 1 size fits all adaptive riding experience.
Best of luck jweb. Don't get discouraged, there are ways of doing about anything if one's determination is strongThumbUp

Been away, didn't realize the site was down, how long?
Anyway ,I have already installed the Pingel Electric shifter, as for the brakes I have decided to Keep It Simple (aka: the KIS method, I will be using another foot brake lever mounted basically vertical and then use a Wilwood pull slave cylinder to pull the lever forward, I'll probably have to replace the M/C with a larger one to push more fluid. So you end up with a more simplified mechanical method of applying the foot brake peddle, it probably would have been easier if I had rear disc brakes, if this doesn't work then I might change the rear drums over to disc. Thanks for the replies.

 

[jweb]

Been away, didn't realize the site was down, how long?
Anyway ,I have already installed the Pingel Electric shifter, as for the brakes I have decided to Keep It Simple (aka: the KIS method, I will be using another foot brake lever mounted basically vertical and then use a Wilwood pull slave cylinder to pull the lever forward, I'll probably have to replace the M/C with a larger one to push more fluid. So you end up with a more simplified mechanical method of applying the foot brake peddle, it probably would have been easier if I had rear disc brakes, if this doesn't work then I might change the rear drums over to disc. Thanks for the replies.

So here is what I have done so far, I am still sorting out the master cylinder, I can't quite get enough throw yet using a gl1000 master at the moment 11/16 bore, I m trying to locate a 3/4" bore for 7/8" bars with enough throw to get what I need done. I decided to keep the SEI for the project and sell the Aspencade.

 

[Jack Klarich]

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[peteg59]

Looks good jweb.
One of the fastest ways of getting what you want/need is to create/fabricate it on your own.

This work has positive effects on the psyche, when one is able to get back into the wind on a modified cycle of some sort.
It also feels good to be able to provide others with ideas, if not outright physical/mechanical plans, for their eventual return to riding.

Keep up the good work & post up your progress.
No doubt there are folks reading & watching who may or may not comment or contribute, but enjoy watching someone figure out & conquer a hurdle to be able to resume riding with a disability.

 

[extxn]

jweb ~ I can't give you any numbers as to sizes & such, but nose around and see if you can find out anything concerning the M/C off a Honda VTX 1800. Reason I suggest is that's currently what I have and the brakes are linked as it has 1 disc on the rear and 2 discs on the front. Maybe there's something there you can engineer for what you need.
Good luck & Stay Safe ~

 

[jweb]

jweb ~ I can't give you any numbers as to sizes & such, but nose around and see if you can find out anything concerning the M/C off a Honda VTX 1800. Reason I suggest is that's currently what I have and the brakes are linked as it has 1 disc on the rear and 2 discs on the front. Maybe there's something there you can engineer for what you need.
Good luck & Stay Safe ~

Thanks for the information, I'll have to check into it. Using the 11/16 master piston bore size, I am right at the edge of it having enough throw. The manufacturer of the slave cylinder recommends a 3/4" piston bore on a master cylinder but that pertains to an automotive master which probably has longer piston travel in the master cylinder and can push more fluid. I would still like to try a front motorcycle master with 3/4 bore, only one I have found is from the late 70's to early 80's dual disc Harley FLh and FL, with the narrow mounting perch, I can get a new one, but they are real pricey new, especially for something that I do not know if it is going to work, they are also for the 1" bars, not a real problem that a sleeve wouldn't take care of. Going to include a picture of my back up thumb brake set up it just operates the LF rotor.

 

[jweb]

Thanks for the information, I'll have to check into it. Using the 11/16 master piston bore size, I am right at the edge of it having enough throw. The manufacturer of the slave cylinder recommends a 3/4" piston bore on a master cylinder but that pertains to an automotive master which probably has longer piston travel in the master cylinder and can push more fluid. I would still like to try a front motorcycle master with 3/4 bore, only one I have found is from the late 70's to early 80's dual disc Harley FLh and FL, with the narrow mounting perch, I can get a new one, but they are real pricey new, especially for something that I do not know if it is going to work, they are also for the 1" bars, not a real problem that a sleeve wouldn't take care of. Going to include a picture of my back up thumb brake set up it just operates the LF rotor.[/QUOTE]
Found the 3/4" master cylinder, what a difference between the 11/16" after adjusting the rear brakes up, I do believe my setup is going to work, the ultimate will be a test ride, I will keep you all up to date on the progress of this.

 

[hounddogg]

vw trike: braking issues.....

helllo family trikers. my legs r givin me problems from bad hip to post polio ect....so i am n the process of rigging up hand brakes for the rear brakes. i changed out the worn out rear drum brakes for disc.1. cause disc r maintenance free and 2. i didnt have a parking brake set up 3. wanting to set up to hand brake.....well i find out or i am told, that a mc master cylinder wont work on disc....so i have new foot brakes. i need info on some options of how and what i can use to finish out a hand brake set up...i havent found anything on google i can use that is cost worthy ect mayb using the park brake,(naw). i got good rear brakes but it is a super hard peddle and my leg isnt that reliable...if i had to make a panic stop it wouldnt pass...i am thinking of a hand operated master cylinder fed into the brake master cylinder to operate the rear brakes. Or even settin up a servo off the engine that too is run off the handle bars....left side handle bar where the clutch mc would b....right side is front brakes, clutch is left foot and throttle is right hand grip....i need some ideas and imput....thanks

 

[peteg59]

Welcome to T/T, Phillip.

I'm running an aftermarket VW rear disc setup similar sounding to what you have, less the park brake.

I'm currently using a clutch master from a 2006 Harley Vrod for my rear brakes.

I don't know what size piston is in the vrod master, but it works. It may be overkill but also use dot 5 fluid in both of my brake systems.

Not that it really matters but it makes me feel more secure using top shelf fluids in every area front to rear of the trike.

There were folks around me who thought the vrod master wouldn't work, and advised against using it, but it has worked for me.

It was a pricey gamble in going new $$/HD parts, but it paid off. "No risk no reward" came into play, & has paid off handsomely for the past 3 years, (knock on wood).

Good luck on your plan for hand brake rears, as it can be done if you choose to pursue it furtherThumbUp

 

[Booggerbe]

Hello all!

New to trikes here, returning to riding after 25yrs since becoming a paraplegic, just picked up actually two 86 wings with motortrike kits. Need some information on setting up the braking system with what parts needed to be able to operate the brakes with just the front master cylinder, what I have done so far is to mount another M/C on the clutch side inside of the bars to use as a thumb brake for the left front rotor, the rear drums and the rf rotor are still linked together via the foot brake. Since I have no use of the legs, what parts are needed to accomplish using the brake set up? That others have used and that have worked. Thanks for any and all information. oops! just saw the same question posted before me, still looking for part numbers or manufacturers that have the parts, anybody have pics or diagrams? Something that works

JWB, Have you thought of a equaliizer master cylinder. You can tie in all your brake lines to this unit. and adjust pressure to front and back brakes with one lever controlling the stopping power to each end.. In your area i would check with some of the off road shops or 4 wheeler shops. I have seen these used on rock crawlers before. They use these to control wheel spin. Hope this might help. Booggerbe

 

[jweb]

Been away for awhile, I'll have to check into that never heard of the system you speak of, haven't had time lately to do any type of wrenching, taking care of an elderly parent. At this time with my current set up I have a friend able bodied that is going to be my guinea pig to see if I have enough brake to be safe.

 

[shootdaroc]

Combining brakes to hand brake lever

I am a disabled rider and spent about 4 years trying to accomplish this setup. There isn't a lot of info to be found on the subject. I finally got it all to work this past winter and just updated my previous post to Goldwing Docs to describe my process to help other disabled riders. You can read how I accomplished this at the link below.Edit or delete this







https://goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=30367&p=175371#p175371