so its a useless number then? there seems to be a ton of those on these things!!
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so its a useless number then? there seems to be a ton of those on these things!!
DeathBySnuSnu
Old Redneck Motorhead
Stamped in numbers is what you are looking for.
The bare casting could have been machined for several different applications.
Whatever it ends up being is what gets stamped into it.
It is a basic truth throughout all of manufacturing.
The bare casting could have been machined for several different applications.
Whatever it ends up being is what gets stamped into it.
It is a basic truth throughout all of manufacturing.
ok thanks again
David357
30500+ Posts
Hey Trey,
:welcome: to Trike Talk.:wave4:
:welcome: to Trike Talk.:wave4:
First, welcome Trey!!!!! Glad you found us here.
On the question of being a single oil relief or dual relief case;
Looking at the very bottom of the engine where the oil strainer is: That is where you drain the oil.
Now, look off to your left; At each end of the case, there should be a relief plug. It will look similar to a very large standard screw. Not Phillips.
A dual relief case will have one on the front and back of the case (at the bottom as I stated).
If that is the case then you can just run to your local NAPA and get the main seal.
On the question of being a single oil relief or dual relief case;
Looking at the very bottom of the engine where the oil strainer is: That is where you drain the oil.
Now, look off to your left; At each end of the case, there should be a relief plug. It will look similar to a very large standard screw. Not Phillips.
A dual relief case will have one on the front and back of the case (at the bottom as I stated).
If that is the case then you can just run to your local NAPA and get the main seal.
Well I'm not sure about the oil relief, it is defanently the swing axle design. I have been doing some more looking and came across a post talking about the oil galley plus leaking and the way the poster described the leak it sounds a lot like the leak I have. is it possible to replace them without splitting the case? I have not pulled the engine out yet so im just going off speculation.
DeathBySnuSnu
Old Redneck Motorhead
Well that is progress of sorts.
That puts the trans in the 60's.
Thats is before the 1600 dp came out.
So if it is the 1600 dp then it is a mix and match put together of different year models.
That is not a deal breaker, just the way it is when dealing with stuff this old.
The oil galley plugs are presses into the case. They do not come out by accident. If they are ever removed you must drill and tap the hole for a pipe plug.
Figure out the picture thing and post some up.
You are learning the parts and terminology, have you looked at the tech thread? The pics there should help.
So now do you definitely know the engine is a dual port?
Is the trans a short axle swing or a long axle swing?
That puts the trans in the 60's.
Thats is before the 1600 dp came out.
So if it is the 1600 dp then it is a mix and match put together of different year models.
That is not a deal breaker, just the way it is when dealing with stuff this old.
The oil galley plugs are presses into the case. They do not come out by accident. If they are ever removed you must drill and tap the hole for a pipe plug.
Figure out the picture thing and post some up.
You are learning the parts and terminology, have you looked at the tech thread? The pics there should help.
So now do you definitely know the engine is a dual port?
Is the trans a short axle swing or a long axle swing?
DeathBySnuSnu
Old Redneck Motorhead
Dual port 1600. 71 and up
See where the intake connects to head.
See where the intake connects to head.
DeathBySnuSnu
Old Redneck Motorhead
Single port 66 to 70.
1300, 1500, 1600 cc
This pic has an alternator conversion.
But look at the intake manifold where it connects to the head.
1300, 1500, 1600 cc
This pic has an alternator conversion.
But look at the intake manifold where it connects to the head.
DeathBySnuSnu
Old Redneck Motorhead
The 60 to 65 1200 single port looks the same from the outside. But is a completely different engine than anything after 66.
The single port intake is smaller in diameter.
And it had a smaller looking carb. Less cluttered looking.
The single port intake is smaller in diameter.
And it had a smaller looking carb. Less cluttered looking.
Single port 66 to 70.
1300, 1500, 1600 cc
This pic has an alternator conversion.
But look at the intake manifold where it connects to the head.
Now you have me second guessing if it a single port or dual port. i will try to get the picture thong figured out and get some posted this weekend. i plan on pulling the engine saturday morning hopefully i find out its just the rear main leaking.
DeathBySnuSnu
Old Redneck Motorhead
Now that you know it is a swing axle there are 2 major series of them.
Short axle and long axle.
The short axle ones were with 1200cc 40hp engines. Lower geared and originaly fit the 6volt starter. 61 to mid 66
The long axle came out for the larger engines. It has stronger and taller gears. Mid 66 through 68.
Only the 68 had a swing axle with 4 bolt wheels.
I am going to assume it is not pre 1960 as that trans is made very different.
All this is usa models only.
The swing was in production untill the end in other countries, as long as it is not a mexi or euro beetle we will be ok assuming a year model.
Short axle and long axle.
The short axle ones were with 1200cc 40hp engines. Lower geared and originaly fit the 6volt starter. 61 to mid 66
The long axle came out for the larger engines. It has stronger and taller gears. Mid 66 through 68.
Only the 68 had a swing axle with 4 bolt wheels.
I am going to assume it is not pre 1960 as that trans is made very different.
All this is usa models only.
The swing was in production untill the end in other countries, as long as it is not a mexi or euro beetle we will be ok assuming a year model.
Ok it has 5 bolt wheels, how would I find out if its a euro, Mexican, or American? like I said earlier I plan on pulling the engine this weekend so hopefully I can get some pics and get them uploaded. Also it is a 12 volt system, I believe it has an external voltage regulator if that helps any. Is it possible to put the clutch back on the flywheel when I get done without the alignment tool?
I would be almost 100% sure it is a USA version. Euro and Mexican versions are fairly rare to find.
Having an external voltage regulator just indicates it's a generator setup rather than an alternator version.
Usually, you can realign the clutch close enough using a round 3/8" ratchet or pick you up a wood dowel from your local hardware store.
There is also a thread that has the picture uploading tutorials here:
http://www.triketalk.com/forum/threads/21006-How-To-Post-a-Picture
Keep us posted brother! :clapping:
DeathBySnuSnu
Old Redneck Motorhead
Yes the chances of being a non usa model are low. A lot more if them were brought into the usa by individuals than you would ever believe. But they are mostly gone now. I have had a Euro model, it was driven down from canada.
You being in TX you have a better chance of seeing a mexi.
But.
We have almost eliminated that. If it was say....a 74 mexi, it would be a long axle swing with 4 bolt wheels.
So now what we are trying to determine is what series usa trans it is.
Early = short = 61 to 66
Late = long= 66 to 68.
You being in TX you have a better chance of seeing a mexi.
But.
We have almost eliminated that. If it was say....a 74 mexi, it would be a long axle swing with 4 bolt wheels.
So now what we are trying to determine is what series usa trans it is.
Early = short = 61 to 66
Late = long= 66 to 68.
Thanks for the help
Yes the chances of being a non usa model are low. A lot more if them were brought into the usa by individuals than you would ever believe. But they are mostly gone now. I have had a Euro model, it was driven down from canada.
You being in TX you have a better chance of seeing a mexi.
But.
We have almost eliminated that. If it was say....a 74 mexi, it would be a long axle swing with 4 bolt wheels.
So now what we are trying to determine is what series usa trans it is.
Early = short = 61 to 66
Late = long= 66 to 68.
It's kind of hard to see but this a screen shot the show the axle, it kind of looks like the longer one.
Hopefully this works, this is a short video of it running right before i found the massive oil leak.
DeathBySnuSnu
Old Redneck Motorhead
Could not get the vid to work.
But that is looking 66 to 68 model.
That is a single port engine.
This was the growth spurt years.
1300, 1500 then 1600cc. They are all related.
Same case and crank..
Cylinders and valve size being the main difference.
But that is looking 66 to 68 model.
That is a single port engine.
This was the growth spurt years.
1300, 1500 then 1600cc. They are all related.
Same case and crank..
Cylinders and valve size being the main difference.
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